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What do our US brethren think about this....

Don't know if this has been covered across the pond, or if this link will work. Looks like not for the first time the Special Relationship maybe only cuts one way

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-49961679

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Sad situation.. It doesn't seem like it's being handled very well from this end.
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Agree with rweb and add that she be immediately sent back to the UK and answer any investigator's questions.
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The U.S. Government can revoke her immunity and return her for trial ... and they should.

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The U.S. Government can revoke her immunity and return her for trial ... and they should.
Maybe should but doubtful it'll happen, the US doesnt revoke immunity very often. With our current political situation(trying not to talk politics) its a crap shot as to what could happen. I'm not sure who makes the call on something like this? I assume POTUS has a say in it....
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Don't know if this has been covered across the pond, or if this link will work. Looks like not for the first time the Special Relationship maybe only cuts one way

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-49961679
This has also been all over the news here (well, the news I pay attention to) and is being covered in a light suggesting this woman's use of diplomatic immunity does not have public support here at all. I am hopeful her immunity status will be revoked but am not certain considering the political circus we live in today. It is one thing to skip out on some parking tickets, quite another to avoid a death investigation.

As for the Special Relationship only cutting one way; I have been paying attention long enough to know that special relationship has been tested by both sides, often, yet will persevere. Not the actions of one woman, nor the actions of one President/PM can do any real damage to that relationship. We as people are smart enough to know the actions of one can not define the relationship of all.

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....considering the political circus we live in today....
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Yeah, I think diplomatic immunity exists and should be used to ensure our diplomats can't be charged with things like treason (because they are in a foreign state, supporting their home country), not to get out of things like speeding tickets, DUIs, murder, etc.... It doesn't sound like the American in this instance did any of those things, just made a mistake of driving on the wrong side of the road. Having spent 2 weeks in Australia, I can understand as driving on the left was really difficult for me... but... while understandable, there are consequences to what happened, and she needs to face them.

I would absolutely support the US sending her back. First, she said she wouldn't leave. Secondly, I don't think this type of infraction is what I want diplomatic immunity used for.

All that being said, I think it's unlikely that will happen for the reasons stated by other members.

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This was being discussed on local (Southern California) talk radio and most people agree it $ucks. However, diplomatic immunity exists to protect diplomats from very real threats and hence should not be waived unless the circumstances are truly exceptional. Is this one? Certainly to the family it is!

Here in the LA area, we frequently have young "gentlemen" from wealthy foreign families racing their Lambos and Ferraris on public streets and diplomatic immunity makes them untouchable. I don't recall that they have killed anyone though. It is just a bad business all around.
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Don't know if this has been covered across the pond, or if this link will work. Looks like not for the first time the Special Relationship maybe only cuts one way
Nothing to do with Special Relationship, just standard diplomatic practice. Revoking immunity would set a very dangerous precedent. Unfortunate in this circumstance. Immunity exists to protect diplomats and family members from disappearing in hostile countries with impunity.

In any event, the Foreign Office and State Department "may" be able to work something out. Tricky I agree. Likely the wife of a career diplomat/bureaucrat, so technically not "political".

Ideally the woman would have remained to aid the investigation. She can't be prosecuted, full stop. Were a UK diplomat here found to be at fault, we couldn't prosecute either. Will wager there are numerous examples of this involving diplomats from all sorts of countries which haven't been widely reported. (Take care how you cross the street near the UN. )

Insert historical perspective for any here who recall hostage exchanges at the Brandenburg Gate... Hong Kong probably not such a good spot anymore either.
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