Need Help - Wiring Motogadget Turn Signals - Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums
Air Cooled Twins Technical Talk Technical Talk for Hinckley Triumph Twins: Bonneville, Bobber, T100, Speedmaster, America, Thruxton, and Scrambler. Sponsored by: triumphtwinpower.com

 2Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 04:29 AM Thread Starter
Minitwins
Main Motorcycle: 2004 Bonneville T100
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Gunnislake, Cornwall
Posts: 11
Other Motorcycle: Honda VFR1200X
Need Help - Wiring Motogadget Turn Signals

Guys,

I am in the process of wiring some Motogadget M-Blaze Pin turn signals on my 2004 T100. I have disconnected the OEM units and installed the M-Blaze Pins, wiring them in accordance with the Triumph wiring diagramme in the Haynes manual. With the OEM flasher relay in situ all the turn signals stay on together without flashing. I was aware of a hyper-flash issue with OEM relays and LED turn signals, so I installed a CF13 GL02 relay, supposed to work with any LED or incandescent bulbs, and the turn signals now flash at the correct rate but all at once like hazard warning lights irrespective of switching left or right.

Link to relay https://www.squaredeals-ltd.co.uk/du...531-1961-p.asp

As the relay enables correct flash rate and M-Blaze turn signals are wired in accordance with Triumph wiring, I suspect a fix is necessary. Anyone out there with some technical advice who can help would be really appreciated. Thanks.

Last edited by paulg027; 09-28-2019 at 04:32 AM.
paulg027 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 05:35 AM
Formula Extreme
Main Motorcycle: 2009 Scrambler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: West Yorkshire UK
Posts: 542
If wiring has been done correct then it is strange, I would try narrowing between front and rear ie disconnect both front and try rear, disconnect both rear and re connect front and try, does this point to front or back , oem lights only need supply ie 12v and is earthed by bodywork, pins need 0v, there are a lot of black cables in headlight bucket, you could run a temporary 0v from battery to prove you are on the correct 0v line
Ade-955i is online now  
post #3 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 06:26 AM
Supersport 600
Main Motorcycle: Triumph Bonneville 2008
Senior Member
 
TILL_PT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: London
Posts: 158
Other Motorcycle: Yamaha DT MX 125cc 1980
Extra Motorcycle: Yamaha TDM 850cc 1998
Hey that is completely normal, as I take it you haven't changed the indicators idiot light to LED, and that is causing current to go to both parts of the circuit as you don't have diodes installed to stop it.

The best thing you can do is reading Ripper's Indicator guide, it is an awesome resource for all problems with indicators, and describes exactly your problem. way better then I could in a post, he is an awesome contributor to this community and a wizard in the magic world of electricity.

https://www.triumphrat.net/.../421706d1476979769-turn-signals-everything- you-wanted-to-know-turn-signals-all-you-need-to-know.pdf

P.S. You will love the M-Blaze Pins, I have them in one of my Bonnies and they are awesome

08 Bonnie
+ Tec Sprint Exhausts / TTP Map #6 / Airbox Intake / DNA Air Filter / LED Conversion / Harness,Rectifier,Ignition Relocation
+ Hagon Nitro Shocks / Progressive Springs / Motone Pimping
- Air Baffle / Snorkel / O2 Sensors / AI System

Last edited by TILL_PT; 09-28-2019 at 06:31 AM.
TILL_PT is offline  
 
post #4 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 06:27 PM
Grand Prix 125
Main Motorcycle: 2014 Bonneville
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by TILL_PT View Post
Hey that is completely normal, as I take it you haven't changed the indicators idiot light to LED, and that is causing current to go to both parts of the circuit as you don't have diodes installed to stop it.

The best thing you can do is reading Ripper's Indicator guide, it is an awesome resource for all problems with indicators, and describes exactly your problem. way better then I could in a post, he is an awesome contributor to this community and a wizard in the magic world of electricity.

https://www.triumphrat.net/.../421706d1476979769-turn-signals-everything- you-wanted-to-know-turn-signals-all-you-need-to-know.pdf

P.S. You will love the M-Blaze Pins, I have them in one of my Bonnies and they are awesome
Interesting. I have the same m.blaze indicators on my 2014 Bonneville and though I did have to change the flasher relay to avoid hyperflash, I had no issue with both lighting up. Did Triumph change the idiot lights to LEDs at some point between 2004 and 2014?

In any case OP this does seem like a minor fix and a small price to pay for how much you'll love the m.blaze.
LeftHand is offline  
post #5 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 06:47 PM
Legend
Main Motorcycle: 2005 Bonneville Blue 790
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Central Maryland, USA
Posts: 10,199
Other Motorcycle: 1973 CB450, long gone
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftHand View Post
Did Triumph change the idiot lights to LEDs at some point between 2004 and 2014?
Yes. The idiot lights in a 2014 are LEDs in the speedometer case. In 2004 they were separate incandescent light bulbs in the gauge panel.

Marty
2005 Bonneville Blue 790cc, AI removed, Staintunes RC, no snorkel, inlet enlarged, 118/40/NBZT needles/1 shim/3 turns, Ikon 7610s, Ricor Intiminators, Barnett green clutch springs, Michelin Pilot Activs, D9 gauge panel, tachometer.
Baltobonneville is offline  
post #6 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 08:32 PM
Supersport 600
Main Motorcycle: Triumph Bonneville 2008
Senior Member
 
TILL_PT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: London
Posts: 158
Other Motorcycle: Yamaha DT MX 125cc 1980
Extra Motorcycle: Yamaha TDM 850cc 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftHand View Post
Interesting. I have the same m.blaze indicators on my 2014 Bonneville and though I did have to change the flasher relay to avoid hyperflash, I had no issue with both lighting up. Did Triumph change the idiot lights to LEDs at some point between 2004 and 2014?

In any case OP this does seem like a minor fix and a small price to pay for how much you'll love the m.blaze.

Yes they did, and in fact, on those, you don't even need to change the relay, as they have a mode pressing the info button while turning the ignition on that allows you to choose between 3 flash speeds

08 Bonnie
+ Tec Sprint Exhausts / TTP Map #6 / Airbox Intake / DNA Air Filter / LED Conversion / Harness,Rectifier,Ignition Relocation
+ Hagon Nitro Shocks / Progressive Springs / Motone Pimping
- Air Baffle / Snorkel / O2 Sensors / AI System
TILL_PT is offline  
post #7 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-28-2019, 10:03 PM
Grand Prix 125
Main Motorcycle: 2014 Bonneville
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by TILL_PT View Post
pressing the info button
My 2014 Bonneville has no info button. I believe the info button came later, perhaps when they switched to liquid-cooled in 2016.
LeftHand is offline  
post #8 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-29-2019, 05:12 AM Thread Starter
Minitwins
Main Motorcycle: 2004 Bonneville T100
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Gunnislake, Cornwall
Posts: 11
Other Motorcycle: Honda VFR1200X
TILL_PT,

Thanks for signposting me to Ripper's turn signal guide. The guide is just awesome and hopefully soldering a couple of diodes in the dash light will remedy the problem.

Does anyone know the value of the diodes, or will any value suffice for this simple electrical circuit?
paulg027 is offline  
post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-29-2019, 05:36 AM
Grand Prix 125
Main Motorcycle: 2014 Bonneville
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulg027 View Post

Does anyone know the value of the diodes, or will any value suffice for this simple electrical circuit?
Not sure what the current is through that circuit but err on the side of higher rather than lower. You can pick up a half dozen 1N5406s for a few dollars. They're rated for 3A and 600V which I would think should be firmly on the safe side for this application.

Last edited by LeftHand; 09-29-2019 at 05:40 AM.
LeftHand is offline  
post #10 of 15 (permalink) Old 09-29-2019, 08:38 AM
Supersport 600
Main Motorcycle: Triumph Bonneville 2008
Senior Member
 
TILL_PT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: London
Posts: 158
Other Motorcycle: Yamaha DT MX 125cc 1980
Extra Motorcycle: Yamaha TDM 850cc 1998
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulg027 View Post
TILL_PT,

Thanks for signposting me to Ripper's turn signal guide. The guide is just awesome and hopefully soldering a couple of diodes in the dash light will remedy the problem.

Does anyone know the value of the diodes, or will any value suffice for this simple electrical circuit?
This are the ones

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1A-Silico...72.m2749.l2649

Since you are at it might as well change all idiot lights to LED as well

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Bri...72.m2749.l2649

And why Not the Clock Lights?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-X-T10-...72.m2749.l2649

08 Bonnie
+ Tec Sprint Exhausts / TTP Map #6 / Airbox Intake / DNA Air Filter / LED Conversion / Harness,Rectifier,Ignition Relocation
+ Hagon Nitro Shocks / Progressive Springs / Motone Pimping
- Air Baffle / Snorkel / O2 Sensors / AI System
TILL_PT is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options
All posts must adhere to Forum Rules

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Triumph Forum: Triumph Rat Motorcycle Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter your valid email address, that can receive an automated confirmation message. Otherwise, you won't be able to gain full access.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome