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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-11-2019, 01:50 AM Thread Starter
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keyless ignition

Hello folks,

Has anyone devised a DIY keyless ignition for the EFI a la the Digital Guard Dog style?

I'm sure their's is worth the asking but it all comes down to affordability and the satisfaction of DIY.
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I have been using the Digital Dawg system for the last 9 years and love it, but @DEcosse who is a member here has his own system which is less expensive.

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If you do a search you will find several options. If you want to have a go @Ripper is your best bet

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There are a number of threads for homemade keyless ignition, rfid and remote button on keyfob or you could go manufacturer made at half price of guard dawg
Motogadet mlock or elektronikbox easy rfid, each around 100 area, I've just fitted the elektronikbox to my bike and am very impressed with its functionality, although I did use a mini 30amp relay to power the lights and the unit to power the ecu and fuel pump relay and new 30a mini relay, it did mean modifying wires from the start switch but has I'd decided to move them off the handlebars to toggle switch was easy enough
Good luck with whichever route you decide
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Ya I've read every thread and post I think... I'm extremely well versed and spent too much time on the site.... well, mostly as there's a lot here.

I contacted DEcosse and he explained that the Bonnie/Thruxton is more difficult. It was pricey. His area of concern appears to be, I believe, the tripples ( I could be wrong, it was a while ago). Also I don't think any of the posts are of the type Digital Guard Dog offers. I hope I'm wrong.

I will probably buy the Digital Guard Dog but I'm waiting for another big sale. $20 shipping from Sacramento to LA? I resent that.

As a little chuckle for reference, I mostly want it because I'm from a small country town. I don't even have a key to my house back there even if I wanted to lock it. The door was made in 1856 and the key is long gone. I now live 3000 miles away and the keys to my truck which is in the door yard, are sitting in the console. When I moved to LA locking everything has been a hard habit to learn. But I still forget my bike key in the ignition constantly, I've never had to remove a bike key. Plus I've mostly ridden dirt bikes that don't even have a key. OK that's probably TMI and I probably need some sleep lol.... such is life in the big city. Thanks everyone
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As a little chuckle for reference, I mostly want it because I'm from a small country town. I don't even have a key to my house back there even if I wanted to lock it. The door was made in 1856 and the key is long gone. I now live 3000 miles away and the keys to my truck which is in the door yard, are sitting in the console. When I moved to LA locking everything has been a hard habit to learn. But I still forget my bike key in the ignition constantly, I've never had to remove a bike key. Plus I've mostly ridden dirt bikes that don't even have a key. OK that's probably TMI and I probably need some sleep lol.... such is life in the big city. Thanks everyone
Just to make the point that there is no such thing as 'keyless'. You still need to carry a push button fob even with the Digital Guard Dawg. Okay, like the others you don't have to insert it into a lock but I suppose it can be called a 'key' of sorts since you could not start the bike without it. So then it becomes a matter of convenience really, and my personal opinion on this (for you) would be to save a large amount of money and go for one of the home made versions. There's the remote relay idea, but this works on a button fob just like the Guard Dawg. There is a short range RFID version that is similar to the Motogadget M-Lock where you need to present a tag within 3 inches of the sensor. Besides being extremely cheap to make, these have advantages just right for your situation, since the tags come in a few forms, for example a tiny glass bead that can be sewn into a glove. One member has even had one of these injected into his hand. Another member has a tag in the form of a ring. The RFID unit can be programmed for up to 25 tags (Motogadget M-Lock is limited to 3), so you could use a number of methods simultaneously and your 'key' is always with you.

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Wow, I didn't realize that with the Digital Guard Dawg, you still needed to push a button on a remote to activate it. That's a draw back and kind of defeats the purpose of "keyless" as you pointed out. I read about it and watched videos and never pick up on that bit.

Thanks all, I'm going to revisit this situation.
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Wow, I didn't realize that with the Digital Guard Dawg, you still needed to push a button on a remote to activate it. That's a draw back and kind of defeats the purpose of "keyless" as you pointed out. I read about it and watched videos and never pick up on that bit.

Thanks all, I'm going to revisit this situation.
I've had a Digital Guard Dawg on for a few years now, and actually you can run them in either mode -

A- you carry the remote fob in your pocket and the bike senses it as you approach. No button pressing. Flip the kill switch to run to get the ignition on.

B - you press the remote button to enable the ignition then the ignition comes on when you flip the kill switch to run.



That's a matter of personal preference but my point was about the expense. The eye watering price of the DGD (although they are very good) isn't really worth it (IMO), just for the convenience of not having to press a button (you still have to carry the fob), when you can have similar behaviour with a home made unit costing a fraction of that price. I bought my DGD when they were selling at half price and I still paid $230 for it. The home made ignitions come out at around $50 max, depending on where you get the bits to build it. The remote relay variant costs even less, around $7 for the remote unit plus the price of a couple of relays. That one doesn't take a tag though, its long range so you have to press the fob button. The RFID (Motogadet M-Lock and its home made version on here) variant that takes the tag has the most options on types of tag - credit card, glass bead, ring etc. It is also the only type which uses a passive tag, i.e it takes no batteries, and extra/replacement tags are widely available and extremely cheap.



When I said 'there is no such thing as keyless' I was referring to the fact that no matter which you choose, either DGD, M-Lock or any of the home brew ones on here, they cannot really be called keyless since they all require either a button fob or a tag and in a sense that is a key of sorts. To be truly keyless the ignition unit would have to work on biometrics such as a fingerprint reader. However, the DGD is the only one that can truly be called hands free. Because of its tag options, the RFID type comes very close to that, except that part of you - your hand or glove, becomes the key. I hope this information helps you to come to a choice.

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OK I have some studying to do. Thanks everyone for your input
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