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post #1 of 70 (permalink) Old 06-06-2019, 02:27 AM Thread Starter
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Another k&n 204 horror story w/Scramber

Hi, new fish here.

I've had a K&N 204 on my 2015 Scrambler for the last 2 years or so, i never once stumbled across the news of the recalls for k&n :/

Normally, I change my oil out waayyy more often but I didnt get to ride much at all during that time and never got around to it.

Anyways, on the way to work yesterday, I downshifted to pass a slow poke on a state route here in Ohio, as I got around him and back into my lane, I notice my oil light come on. Start processing it right away and troubleshooting at 60mph. Eventually look behind me to what I think is a long steak of oil, lined on the road behind me as I'm still riding. I realize I've sprung a leak somewhere.

As I search for a good place to stop, about a mile goes by from point of filters ailure and the scrambler shuts down on me. I pull off road and inspect.

Oil everywhere. All up my back, helmet, dripping from everywhere under the bike, lathered up the rear tire, I was almost certain it was catastrophic.

I start looking for a tow place (barely any cell service of course). Then I noticed a more constant drip from the filter, right off the nut.

That's when I was able to Google and see my worst nightmare, that I put a complete peice of trash on my bike. Me being a yuppie, buying k&n (always for all my vehicles) thinking I'm buying superior quality. What a joke.

It bursted all around the welds around the nut and little plate it's on like all the other people have reported.

Luckily my buddy was already at work, I had him bring me whatever autozone had for filter and oil for the scrambler and some tools. I replaced the junk filter with an stp on the side of the road and put in 3 quarts to get the seeing glass level to half way mark.

With fingers crossed, I pushed the ignition in, it hesitated once then fired right up.

I road it the remaining 8 miles to work, then the 30 miles home later that day.

This evening I put on a mobile1 108A and replaced oil with the recommended Castrol power 1 full synthetic.

Now for one little question for my peace of mind.

Like I said it wasnt but maybe a mile from failure to shutdown that the bike was running while leaking oil. And there was still a quart or so in there somewhere based on my refill.

I don't have any white smoke, am I at risk for engine damage here? Look these twins are kind noisy and ticky as is. Im just the kind of diy mechanic who's a little paranoid. On one hand bike sounds the same to me, but the little worry wart on the other shoulder of mine is saying "but was this or that noise there before ?" I cant tell. Same goes for performance I cant tell if shes accelerating a little sluggish or if it's just me not riding her a little harder because I'm shell shocked a bit. I have a baby boy coming in a couple of weeks, I dont need to go down NOW on account of a slicked up rear tire man.

I read the post somewhere where the dudes engine seized after this.

I'm terrified mainly of possible damage, I love this bike so damn much. Heres a vid, if youd like to listen and see if you hear anything odd, I'd appreciate any input. I've heard plenty of bad engines before but when it's my own vehicles or toys I doubt myself.




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post #2 of 70 (permalink) Old 06-06-2019, 03:10 AM
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If you have been running it with no oil pressure for a mile i would expect the main bearings to be shot, then again they might just have survived. Greatest chance would have been if you shut down immediately when the light came on, but my guess is they have taken damage.
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so you filled the engine with fresh oil at the side of the road and rode a number of miles then dumped that oil and refilled with new oil again?


if you did not see any metal particles in the first batch of oil I'd say your right to go
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If you have been running it with no oil pressure for a mile i would expect the main bearings to be shot, then again they might just have survived. Greatest chance would have been if you shut down immediately when the light came on, but my guess is they have taken damage.
I cant say if it was a full mile or not. I dont think it squirted all out at once either, I think it happened toward the end of the stretch of time that the can was cracked open.

I believe the dummy light comes on when low oil pressure is detected. So I would assume that for a mile it ran with low and dropping pressure as well as a low and dropping amount of oil.

Idk maybe if you get a sudden dump like this, the components can survive for a short amount of time with a minimal layer of residual oil that you would think would be left behind as it dripped. Who knows.

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so you filled the engine with fresh oil at the side of the road and rode a number of miles then dumped that oil and refilled with new oil again?


if you did not see any metal particles in the first batch of oil I'd say your right to go
Well, that side of the road job was more like a top off.

I did not have a star shaped security head bit with me to get my skid plate off. So i topped it off. With about 3 quarts.

So as for my full change last night. I dragged my oil pan with a magnet and tried looking for any particles, I couldnt really see any.

I've read a lot of post now about people's stories with this recall, you don't read too many where the guys end up with engine damage, or damage that is noticable. I only see one where it seized up on him and another where a guy had some white smoke and some worries.

Most cases I see are people who just say "it blew out on highway so now I'm running this or that filter" either they all noticed the issue immediately and hit the kill switch without hesitation OR our twins are just pretty resilient and tough? Every bike is a little different too, so theres that.

I'm obviously trying to be positive lol.

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You'll be fine. You did not run it dry if you added 3 quarts to refill. All the engine components were covered in oil. Even though it was a large leak it takes a while to pump dry to the point of starvation. These are very robust engines.

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There was still one quart of oil in the engine, so it wasn't empty. That's a good thing. If you rode that last mile easy, low RPM's, no high engine loading, I doubt any damage was done. If damage was done you'l know soon enough, it will not cure itself. I'v seen this happen many times with automobile engines, broken oil pump shafts or clogged oil pickup screen, zero oil pressure. Have often been amazed that no damage was done. Of the ones that weren't so lucky what usually happened was a rod bearing would seize and lock the engine or spin and start knocking. These symptoms are obvious. I think you got lucky.

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Engine is fine. Sounds like they sound, and you didn't run completely out of oil. You dodged a bullet!

If you have the filter still, send the serial number into K&N and let them know. They are a good company, they don't want this to happen. Still wouldn't install one on my bike though, too many other options without this failure history. The 108/108A is a better choice.
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I love you guys. I mean You're telling me what I WANT to hear, so naturally I feel better about.

I agree that with a quart left in there it should have been lubricated. Didnt run it for very long at all.

More good news, I rode it 30 miles to work just now. All good so far.

Dont why it took me so long to join this forum. Thanks again.

I'll keep this thread updated every once in awhile for others who may not know about the recalls like me!

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Bosch, good filter and made for the triumphs, bmw and ducati. They just have the bike brand stamped on. If it doesnt sound like a diesel you should be cool. Kudos for not kissing the pavement.


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