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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-24-2019, 05:54 PM Thread Starter
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Starter Motor: easy removal and installation from below

I had to remove the starter motor, but after some trying, i found out that it was impossible without taking apart the complete right exhaust, the rear brake, the peg, oil cooler pipe, etc, as many here have noted. As some others say that it isnīt so difficult, i assume that there must be slightly differences by year/model, but in my bike (2006 Bonneville), it was not possible.

At the Haynes manual it seems an easy operation, but a second look reveals that, in the pic of the removal, the exhaust header is absent and the oil cooler pipe disconnected.

At first i unscrewed the oil cooler pipe near the motor, so i could move it. Then i removed the rear cover of the starter motor to slide it more easily, but the exhaust didnít allow the motor to get out.

So, before having to dismantle the exhaust, i decided to try a different approach: instead of slide it from the side, i tried to move it down between the frame. As i had already removed the rear cover, it was a piece of cake, it slided perfectly. I took it home to clean it, but then i wondered that, as i had slided it with the rear cover removed, maybe it wasnít possible to push it upward with it in its place. So i fitted the rear cover again and went back to the garage to try to install it from below. After some trying, voilŗ it was in itīs place. I tried to remove it again, and there we are, after some trying, it slided to my hand.

So if you have to remove/install the starter motor and you canít do it from the side, before removing all the exhaust etc, try to:

- Remove: once the motor is free (some wd-40 and wiggle will do it) try to slide it thought the frame in a vertical way. Turn it clockwise until you find the right angle, and let it slide to your hand. It can be a little tricky, but works.

- Install: from below, carefully move upward the front part (the teeth one) between the frame. When you have reached top, just turn clockwise the motor until you find the right angle to move up the remaining motor body. Again, Its a little tricky, but works. When the whole motor is inside the hollow place of the frame, just rotate it to its right position to screw it, etc. I had a couple of moments of "this is not going to work", but yes, it did.

All of this was made with the oil cooler pipe unscrewed from the left, i donít know if its possible to do it with it in place, or if itīs more easy if you remove it completely.

Bonus: itīs common to read that the starter motor lacks of any spare parts, even the Haynes manual mentions it, so you have to buy it all together (830Ä). But thereís a reasonable amount of spare parts, Itīs not all, but maybe it is what you need.

One question: when i removed the back cover in the garage, two shims fell from the shaft. But in the Haynes picture there are 3 instead of 2. Does my starter have 2 shims, or maybe i lost one? The two that i have are identical, do i have just to add a third identical one?

After some cleaning, the starter motor worked again :-)
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Can't answer about the shims, but thanks for adding to the knowledge base here.
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I finally installed again yesterday and, after a moment of "this is not possible", it was easier than the first time. I tried to record it, but you need both hands and it was impossible to do it. All was made with the bike at its side stand and the exact way to install it was:

- remember to put molybdenum grease to the starter motor oil ring and teeth.
- disconnect oil pipe from cooler located under the frame. Move it away to the right as much as you can. You will need a new washer for later.
- move upward the front part (teeth) between the frame.
- When you have reached almost the top, rotate the motor while putting it horizontally.
- while doing this, with the other hand, push the bottom of the motor up. The new horizontal position will allow to push it a little farther, so you will have the room to put it all in the place inside the frame.
- rotate it to its right position.

Enjoy a beer thinking in all the work and time that you just save :-)

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Can't answer about the shims, but thanks for adding to the knowledge base here.
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Hi.
I have a faulty starter motor im going to change on my speedmaster.
I never changed a starter motor before so maybe stupid question =)

I loosened the two screws that holds it in place and started to wiggle the starter out and oil starting to pouring out.
Do i need to drain the engine oil out before attempting to take off the starter motor?

How much oil comes out when i remove the starter?
The bike is on level on a bike lift.

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Hi.
I have a faulty starter motor im going to change on my speedmaster.
I never changed a starter motor before so maybe stupid question =)

I loosened the two screws that holds it in place and started to wiggle the starter out and oil starting to pouring out.
Do i need to drain the engine oil out before attempting to take off the starter motor?

How much oil comes out when i remove the starter?
The bike is on level on a bike lift.

Best regards.
Sam
I read somewhere that oil need not be drained. But that was BS and very wrong for my T100. Drain oil into clean container and put back - or change the oil.
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Hi.
I have a faulty starter motor im going to change on my speedmaster.
I never changed a starter motor before so maybe stupid question 😃

I loosened the two screws that holds it in place and started to wiggle the starter out and oil starting to pouring out.
Do i need to drain the engine oil out before attempting to take off the starter motor?

How much oil comes out when i remove the starter?
The bike is on level on a bike lift.

Best regards.
Sam
Hi Sam,
yes, the oil needs to be drained. If you have never done it, its not difficult. Use a clean 4L recipient, large enough for contain any spill. The most important part is, when you put the oil screw back, not overtorque it.

You have a couple videos here:

As oil has cancerous substances that may lead to skin cancer, use latex gloves. If oil is new and you don’t intend to change it, you can keep the filter in place.

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Thanx.
Worked perfect!

I just unplugged the oilpipe and it almost fell right out =)
Your the best.

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Thanx.
Worked perfect!

I just unplugged the oilpipe and it almost fell right out =)
Your the best.

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Itís great to know that it worked for you, cheers!

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