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I put the Tec springs in my 2017 T100.
Do the Emulators just fit ontop of the springs or is it more complicated than that?
I could not understand the video.
Can you install just the emulators and springs?
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post #12 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-05-2018, 06:20 PM
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I would rather order the tec springs for the Thrux and add longer spacer. Then cut n play with the length on the spacers, and adjust the preload
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Your best option is to call Tec tell them what you are doing and ask..
However ... I just installed front tec springs preload adjusters and rear shocks... On the package it says t100/thrux/scram...
Im not 100% sure but Im willing to bet the Tec springs are all the same and the amount you cut your spacer is the only difference!
Furthermore, do not confuse preload adjusting fork caps with Cartridge Emulators. They are completely diffetent things. The preload adjusters replace your standard stock fork caps and simply dial preload onto the spring. Cartridge emulators are added to your stock dampning rods down in the base of the forks ... And modification of stock parts are required.
Furthermore again.... The Emulators are ONLY avialable from Tec Bike Parts UK....
TecBikeParts USA do not carry them and they are NOT listed on the US site. Might have added to the confusion.

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The Emulators are ONLY avialable from Tec Bike Parts UK....
TecBikeParts USA do not carry them and they are NOT listed on the US site.
Not entirely true. They are YZZ emulators and can be purchased in the US. They are also now sold with the space that TEC implies is only available with theirs. I got mine (with spacer ring) from Square Deals in the UK and even with international shipping they were about 20% cheaper than anywhere I found here in the States.

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They go below the springs, between the spring and the dampening cylinder, and require drilling holes into the dampening cylinder to allow the oil to flow freely. This allows the emulator to control the dampening rather than the small stock holes in the dampening cylinder. It's all rather simple IF the bolt holding the dampening cylinder comes out easily. On the latest bikes Triumph is apparently applying a thread locker compound and I had to drill mine out. It's all rather clear in TEC's video if you understand the construction of the fork tubes. Here's a picture to help. It's for a '17 T100 but the design is the same across all the twins.

One more thing, the spacer tubes are made from pvc. Rather than cutting them I replaced them with white 1-1/2" pcv pipe. It's stronger and if I messed up it was easy to replace. It also kept the original intact if I ever wanted to return to stock.
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Should have added I also installed the TEC preload adjusters.
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Your best option is to call Tec tell them what you are doing and ask..
However ... I just installed front tec springs preload adjusters and rear shocks... On the package it says t100/thrux/scram...
Im not 100% sure but Im willing to bet the Tec springs are all the same and the amount you cut your spacer is the only difference!
Furthermore, do not confuse preload adjusting fork caps with Cartridge Emulators. They are completely diffetent things. The preload adjusters replace your standard stock fork caps and simply dial preload onto the spring. Cartridge emulators are added to your stock dampning rods down in the base of the forks ... And modification of stock parts are required.
Furthermore again.... The Emulators are ONLY avialable from Tec Bike Parts UK....
TecBikeParts USA do not carry them and they are NOT listed on the US site. Might have added to the confusion.

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Hmm.. I have put tec springs in both my Thruxtons - efi & carb models. Waiting for some new bushings on the inner fork legs now to finish the rebuild as we speak. Never got any note on them that said they would fit other models but the thrux. Just this : " fits Triumph Thruxton models, all years
Straight replacement for the standard liner triumph fork springs no mods required. "

The scrambler has a longer spring than the thrux and do not fit without cutting/modding. Scramblers do not have preload adjuster
From Tecs web site:
Scrambler : Fits Air Cooled Triumph Scrambler models with 19inch front wheels (Year 2000-2016)
(Does not fit Bonneville and SE with 17inch front wheels,for these see SE fork springs) "

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I said the emulators were not avialable from TecBikeParts USA not that they were unavailable anywhere outside the UK... The YSS ones available in the US are freaking expensive btw. I only pointed it out as a possibility for someone mistaking the peload adjusters for the emulators if they were looking at the US site because the emulators are not listed there... Only the preload adjusters. Someone not knowing the difference could get confused.....

As far as the website saying this fits this and that fits that...I read all that too before I ordered however I know what was marked on the package in sharpie when they arrivied. The tec install video on youtube says thier progressive springs are slightly shorter to accomedate the extra length of the preload adjustment caps vs. The stock... My Tec SE springs were way longer than my stock springs and the written instructions said to cut my (metal) spacers by 30mm to accomedate the extra length....sounds to me like they are selling one length spring and sending out instructions to cut or not cut your spacer to accommodate according to actual model. You can draw your own conclusions.

All that aside spring length dosen't really matter (within reason), just adjust the spacer length for the desired overall length and ride.

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....sounds to me like they are selling one length spring and sending out instructions to cut or not cut your spacer to accommodate according to actual model. You can draw your own conclusions.
Ya think?

Just shipped a set of Hagon Nitro's with a Matris Pre-load Adjustable Fork Springs with Emulators kit yesterday. That's a very affordable 'premium' suspension upgrade for any Triumph twin.

The Matris kit comes with pre-load adjustable fork caps, specific-length aluminum spacers, weight-matched linear-rate fork springs (engraved with spring rate), two (what Matris terms as "hydraulic units") precision machined 'emulators' that press into the top of the stock damper rods, and a bottle of premium fork oil. Nothing more needed to buy.

The great thing about the Matris kits is the simplicity of installation. As DIY as it gets. Whereas YSS-PD and RaceTech gold emulators (can't speak to other brands having never used them) require removal of the damper rod so it can be drilled-out, the Matris emulators do not.

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So what would a shorter or longer spacer do when installing these Springs? I assume one will give a softer feel but which one.
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