I know, but again thats not what i'm asking. I want to know how to remove the caliper because i want to do more than just change pads. there are 2 mountings but they have a spring of sorts and are covered with rubber boots that if i try and pull off seem like they won't, at least w/o tearing them. So i can't see how to remove them w/o potentially ruining the rubber. They may even be permanent rivets of some sort because the caliper and bracket are said to be sold as one unit. But then someone said thier dealer removed the caliper w/o taking the wheel off so it must be possible.