Well, it IS a thunderbird forum so you should know all you'll get from us is praise. But it's more than worthy of all the praise we can muster. Get a 1700 with TORs and i think you'll be overjoyed. I could go on and on forever, but suffice it to say it's as close to perfect as i've ever owned and nothing else came close. get a 1600 and you may feel the same, but to me the 1700 with short tors is much much more fun and perfect. The 1600 is anemic for the engine size IMO. The 1700 is not at all.