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post #51 of 65 (permalink) Old 03-20-2017, 02:21 PM
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OK I'm soon to cross 5k miles and it seems this thread is as good as any to explore a planned oil change on a 2017T120. I changed the oil in my Sportster a few times, so I'm not too worried, but I'm wondering if you guys can save me a few trips to the parts stores. Here's where I'm potentially confused......

I saw a reference to an 8mm hex key to remove the drain plug. I've got plenty of those laying around. What about putting it back in though? Are you guys using a hex socket so you can use a torque wrench or.....?

I hate buying tools that are only good for one purpose. Anyone have any luck with a simple strap type wrench to remove the oil filter? I plan on seating-the-gasket-plus-half-turn for the reinstall.

Best quick source for the copper washer? I don't see any specs in the owners manual about which kind.

What kind of oil should I use?

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Not sure how you'd get a strap type oil filter wrench onto the T120's oil filter because it's recessed into a cavity in the rear of the oil sump. The correct Triumph filter socket is T3880313, but any 64mm filter socket will work just fine. Any motorcycle shop will have it, along with most auto parts stores.

Personally, I like the K&N KN204 filter that's a direct replacement for the Triumph T1218001 because it has a 17mm nut spot welded to the filter case. It makes removal and installation a snap. You'll see scare stories about this welded nut failing and dumping oil, but K&N filters are not failing. Period.

Wouldn't worry too much about replacing the drain plug washer. The original is aluminum and can easily be reused. A new one comes with the Triumph T1218001 filter, if you want to pay for an OEM filter.

The original oil filler plug on the T120 is slotted. Triumph does sell OEM billet aluminum replacements that require an 8mm hex wrench. These are about $20 each.

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Pursuant (love that word) to these oil changes on the 2016 1200 motors, my self educationing required updating of the torque wrench in yon tool chest. To go right by the owners manual, the filter requires a finished torque of 7 ft.-lb. and the drain plug requires 18 ft.-lb. The traditional torque wrenches of old START at 20 ft.-lb. at least mine did. Discrepancy!!
For this type of tool, i used to go to a Sears Hardware store, but apparently Sears doesn't want to be in this business anymore. Found the same digital torque wrench on the internet for $85, and its lowest reading is 5 ft.-lb. Used it changing trans fluid on my JD tractor, and it worked as designed - how nice. The wrench carries the Craftsman name - don't have to tell you where it was made, huh?
Hope this helps, I always am totally by the book on maintenance since it's NOT my regular trade, and I know enough to know, I don't know what Im doing. SaddleUp! WEEDIE
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The original oil filter plug on the T120 is slotted. Triumph does sell OEM billet aluminum replacements that require an 8mm hex wrench. These are about $20 each.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about the drain plug part. I looked under my bike and there's an allen socket in the bolt. I'm asking the best way to attach a torque wrench to an allen wrench, among other things.

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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about the drain plug part. I looked under my bike and there's an allen socket in the bolt. I'm asking the best way to attach a torque wrench to an allen wrench, among other things.
This is what you would use to loosen and tighten the bolt. Found for a few bucks at Home Depot.
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This is what you would use to loosen and tighten the bolt. Found for a few bucks at Home Depot.
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DIY saves all the breakages we get by taking a bike to a dealer. Most of the broken components we don't find until later when we do it ourselves. Personally I'v had damaged: Radiator, belly pan, fairing panels, mudguard, seat, it goes on.......Then chains like bowstrings, some fasteners over tightened & some loose, trapped throttle cable that didn't shut off at high speed, had to use kill switch........on & on.

Saying this, I've always taken my bikes to the dealer for the 500 mile service, my logic being if anything serious is going to go pop, it will do in the first few thousand miles, so don't want any arguments over diy/warranty.

Took my T8 in for its 500 & front desk said "we only use fully synthetic oil", I say I don't want full syn until its fully run-in, another 500 at least, he says "Triumph will will void your warranty unless I use full syn". BS! Been caught before by them filling with cheap semi & charging for full syn. Believe nowt & trust nobody is the only way with dealers, I've used several, wouldn't trust any.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about the drain plug part. I looked under my bike and there's an allen socket in the bolt. I'm asking the best way to attach a torque wrench to an allen wrench, among other things.
Apologies! I wrote filter plug (there's no such thing) when I meant filler plug. You're thinking about the oil drain plug. That's the one with the reusable washer.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about the drain plug part. I looked under my bike and there's an allen socket in the bolt. I'm asking the best way to attach a torque wrench to an allen wrench, among other things.
You know what, I have changed my own oil on both my cars and bikes for about 50 years. I have never used a torque wrench to tighten the oil drain plug, and have never had one fall off. I do use a torque wrench on torque critical items like head bolts and such. But the oil drain plug doesn't fall into that category, and as long as it doesn't fall off, it is tight enough. A good reef on the allen wrench is good enough. Contrary to what was posted by someone earlier, I do like to change the drain plug washers every change, if I have one handy. It may not need it, but re-used ones do have a tendency to leak, and it is hard to predict by looking at it if it will leak or not. If I don't have a new washer I will polish the sides of the old one with emory cloth or sand paper. The newer copper crush washers are my favorite. Used aluminum ones washers seem to be the most apt to leak.
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Psh, a one time use tool? If you use it every oil change it won't be one time.

I have a set of 3/8 hex drivers I bought years ago for my BMW K bike. I use them all the time. Don't be cheap. Spend a little on a set and you'look wonder what was holding you back after the first use. Besides, hex keys are a pain to use most of the time and are usually soft metal anyway.
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