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post #1 of 151 (permalink) Old 02-07-2017, 03:04 PM Thread Starter
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Done 1000km on the T120, first service completed no issues
this is one of the nicest bikes i have owned,plenty of power, and torque,
a few friends have ridin it, they cant stop ravin about it, these friends have had many motorcycles over 40yrs
of riding,i can hear the coggs in their heads turning (i want one) time will tell if they make the move back to triumph
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Congrats on getting a T120. Pretty much my feelings with mine, it has 6K miles on it and it sure seems to be one of the nicest bikes I've ever had. Hope to be adding a bunch more miles when our winter is over here. Enjoy your new ride.
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105NM at 3100rpm... A lot of manufacturers seem to have forgotten that high torque over the widest possible range of revs is the greatest attribute that an engine can possess.
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105NM at 3100rpm... A lot of manufacturers seem to have forgotten that high torque over the widest possible range of revs is the greatest attribute that an engine can possess.
I'm sure the T120 is adequately powered for what it is, but the "high torque" thing is marketing BS. In fact, engine torque in general is a meaningless quantity to riders. Engines make power, gears convert that power into a variety of torque vs speed ratios.
The reason I bring it up is because it's misleading. Torque in and of itself tell one essentially nothing about an engine. Giving a torque at an rpm as you did, tells us the power at that rpm. Thing is, the Thruxton engine makes more torque at an even higher rpm meaning it's engine is making a buttload more power even in the midrange. But even if it made a lower absolute max torque, it's engine may still make more power over its rpm range.
The problem with max torque and max hp is they tell us what the engine does at two rpms in the range. Only a power graph over the entire range tells the rest of the story...
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I'm sure the T120 is adequately powered for what it is, but the "high torque" thing is marketing BS. In fact, engine torque in general is a meaningless quantity to riders. Engines make power, gears convert that power into a variety of torque vs speed ratios.
The reason I bring it up is because it's misleading. Torque in and of itself tell one essentially nothing about an engine. Giving a torque at an rpm as you did, tells us the power at that rpm. Thing is, the Thruxton engine makes more torque at an even higher rpm meaning it's engine is making a buttload more power even in the midrange. But even if it made a lower absolute max torque, it's engine may still make more power over its rpm range.
The problem with max torque and max hp is they tell us what the engine does at two rpms in the range. Only a power graph over the entire range tells the rest of the story...
I agree with that to some extent. The curve is what matters. I hate the way HP and T are quoted for engines. Like you said, the number at 1 point on a curve doesn't tell you what you need to know. Personally, I like the t120 because it has good torque (for me) throughout the rev range (except if I am in 6th, man that is a tall gear). I like the fact i don't have to shift down to get the engine in the right rev range to pass someone like I experienced riding some other bikes before I chose the T120.
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I love that the T120 makes me look like a better rider than I probably am. There's none of the wrestling that I used to do with my old T100, wishing that it had capabilities that it just didn't.

I really like the almost eerie smoothness and precision of the T120's gear box, especially on the downshifts. Before entering a corner, I can downshift a gear or two too much, but because of the slipper clutch there's no tendency for the rear wheel to hop or slide out. Yet, there's still plenty of engine braking when going down a steep hill. Getting this just right is a real accomplishment by Triumph.

Add the bikes looks, fit and finish, handling, comfort, braking, and power, and you've got a real winner in the T120.

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105NM at 3100rpm... A lot of manufacturers seem to have forgotten that high torque over the widest possible range of revs is the greatest attribute that an engine can possess.
Again, the man has gotten right to the bottom line!

Everything's truly great about the T120, but its engine and gearbox are its greatest attributes. Had there been shortcomings in either, the whole machine would have suffered. The whole would truly have been less than the sum of its parts.
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Again, the man has gotten right to the bottom line!

Everything's truly great about the T120, but its engine and gearbox are its greatest attributes. Had there been shortcomings in either, the whole machine would have suffered. The whole would truly have been less than the sum of its parts.
yes tsmgguy,friends that have ridin mine, always come back from ride and comment how smooth the gear box is
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I'm sure the T120 is adequately powered for what it is, but the "high torque" thing is marketing BS. In fact, engine torque in general is a meaningless quantity to riders. Engines make power, gears convert that power into a variety of torque vs speed ratios.
The reason I bring it up is because it's misleading. Torque in and of itself tell one essentially nothing about an engine. Giving a torque at an rpm as you did, tells us the power at that rpm. Thing is, the Thruxton engine makes more torque at an even higher rpm meaning it's engine is making a buttload more power even in the midrange. But even if it made a lower absolute max torque, it's engine may still make more power over its rpm range.
The problem with max torque and max hp is they tell us what the engine does at two rpms in the range. Only a power graph over the entire range tells the rest of the story...
Forchetto was just saying it's nice to ride a bike with lots of low down torque
Some people just like to argue hey

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Forchetto was just saying it's nice to ride a bike with lots of low down torque
Some people just like to argue hey
I know what he was saying and I know he's a really smart guy. I wasn't arguing with him, but trying to dispel this poppycock notion of "torque" that mfgs use to fool the flock. You want more torque, shift into first gear. You want less torque and more speed, shift into second and so on. The torque at the rear wheel changes with every shift. What doesn't change is the POWER delivered by the engine.
Riders have this goofy notion that power is some peak number at the top of their rpm band that makes one engine better than another. What makes one better than another is the TOTAL POWER delivered over the entire rpm range. For those who have taken first year calculus, that's the area under the curve. And also whether or not one likes it delivered linearly or with a bang.
We are living thru an age of disenlightenment. It's hard on those of us who want people to know things. Cut me a little slack.
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