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Old 06-14-2007   #1 (permalink)
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What are the signs of carbs being out of synch? Can synchronization be easily done without going to the dealer (think NYC)?
Also, this forum Search feature does not really work. I have seen Hagon related thread and wanted to find it again, search did not pick it up. I hate to recycle already discussed topics but, have no time to go thru dozens of page links at the bottom. Cheers.
P.S. I have seen someone talking about how simple it is to replace stock rear shocks with whatever (Hagons, for instance) and mentioned the torque wrench. Is there a specific number to keep in mind while tightening the screws/bolts? Also, there should be thread locking compound used (mild) to prevent un-screwing from vibration.
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to add to this, I've used the manometer before and I just bought some carb sticks/the mercury tuner from Newbonneville. It came w/ no instructions, help?
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Torque specs can be found under the downloads section to your left. I use blue locktite on any bolt that I don't regularly have to take off, and on any others that I think will vibrate loose. If your carbs are out of sync, it will be hard to keep your idle speed adjusted consistently, and you may have stumbling on one cylinder. It is one of the easiest things for a non mechanically inclined person to learn, and one of the most important. The tool required, (carbstix), is cheap and easy to use, especially on the Bonneville. A torque wrench will save you the heartache of twisted off bolts and ruined days in your shop. Get one! :-D
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Right in front of your carbs and also on your intake manifolds are two little spigots with a rubber cap on them. Take one off on each side and connect a hose from the carb stix to it. (remove the brass tube from the carbstix if yours has those.) After the bike is warmed up a little and idle is steady, note the level of mercury in the two tubes. Adjust the screw on the linkage between the two carbs until the levels are equal. Reset the idle speed if necessary, and your done. Check the rubber caps for cracks before you replace them.
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do you leave the mercury in the carb sticks at all times? Won't it spill out?

Do you have to plug the other 2 tubes (my sticks has 4 tubes) or just leave them open?
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The mercury is in a reservoir at the bottom of the tool- it stays in there all the time. There is a hole in the top of the stix to tie a string to to hang it up- it needs to be vertical all the time. I put a nail in my step ladder to hang it from, have the ladder straddle your bike when you sync, or put a srew eye in the ceiling to hang it from. You don't have to plug the unused tubes; they are all independent from each other. :wink:
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Wow! Thanks tcb.
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Here's a link to all the torque specs for the bike, Go to Rear Suspension Units.

TORQUE SPECS

Here's some info I sent to another forum member last year regarding using the home made manometer. If the carb balance is way off, it's hard to use these things, because the carb pulling the most vacuum will drain the fluid from the manometer.
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Measuring Differential Vacuum Using a Manometer

August 25, 2006

As well as my home made unit has worked for me, I must agree it is very sensitive.

I balanced my carbs this morning and here's the results. I used the home made unit on my T100 (with AI kit, 125/42, UNI filter, TORs).

Description of manometer:
- total of 20' of clear tubing sized to fit tightly on T100 vacuum ports.
- loop consists of 38-40" of vertical tubing for each side of loop.
- each side of the loop contains approx 25-26" Stabil.
- manometer is hanging vertically by cord from nail in wall.
- I continue the tubing another 12-18" vertically up the wall to give myself as much wiggle room as possible.

1. I tightened up all clamp connections (they were ok).
2. connected left side of loop to left carb/rt side to right. I used the vacuum ports closest to the cyl head.
3. Set idle at 1000-1100rpm

On startup - the right carb/fluid column exhibited the most vacuum, the Stabil rose 7-8" higher in right column, with corresponding drop in left column... it is a differential measurement.

4. Barely turned screw clockwise (tightening) and it raised the right column further (with corresponding drop in left column).

5. Then turned counterclockwise (looser), which raised left column, and lowered the right column (too much)

6. A slight tweak back toward clockwise brought the two columns level with each other.

Each time I tweaked the screw, I slowly revved the engine up to approx 3500rpm, then let it drop. and gave the columns a few moments to settle out.

Just to check and see if there was any appreciable difference using the ports furthest away from the cyl head, I replugged the ports I initially used, and ran the process hooked to ports furthest away from the cyl head. Results were, naturally, the same .... vacuum is vacuum.

So - in your case, if the fluid is being sucked out the right column, turn the screw counterclockwise (looser).

If fluid is being sucked out the left column, turn the screw clockwise (tighter).

NOTE - total movement of the screw required to balance carbs was less than an eight of a turn total, probably less.

NOTE2 - I plan to visit NAPA and see if they have some sort of plastic adaptors with very small holes that would allow me to reduce the internal diameter of the tubing and (I think) slow the reaction time of the fluid loop.

I plan to make this thing workable, even when carbs are really out of balance.

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you guys are great, thanks
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With the "proper silencers" installed, I usually let them tell me when my carbs need syncing. One side will start "talking" a split second before the other side when they start getting out of sync. :-D I've only synced them once in 20000 miles--this was done at 6000 miles. Afraid my old age was affecting my hearing, I checked the sync with my Carbtune II from across the pond at 12000 and 18000 miles and the sync checked spot-on--just like my ears were indicating. :-D Your ears do work better if you don't have the crossover pipe in the headers; however, I have been able to hear it pretty good now that I am used to running one with the crossover. :-D

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