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Twins Technical Talk Technical Talk for Hinckley Triumph Twins: Bonneville, T100, Speedmaster, America, Thruxton, and Scrambler.

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Old 01-22-2007, 09:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So, my '01 Bonnie was totaled by my brother-in-law, insurance settled, b-i-l sent me some extra $$$ to cover the hassles, money has been in the bank screaming to get out. Like the Bonnie a lot, so I have been looking hard at a new T100. I already have the center stand, back rest and a Corbin Smuggler seat which could be re-painted. But then I see that Scrambler in the showroom and it looks so cool! Has anyone out there spent time on both? I'm paralyzed with indecision!
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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G,Day, I have ridden both, I have a freind with a t100.To my mind the t100 is a smoother ride but I would put that down to tyres on the Scrambler being knobbly. I wouldnt change my Scrambler for the t100 though, as I do like to get in the bush, also its a little taller,which suits me as I am 6ft.
All in all, the final decision is yours, and I am sure you will be happy with whatever you choose, after all they are both Triumphs. Hope this helps. Rod :wink:
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Ah, mate...you've asked the hugest question that's been on my mind since I got my Scrambler in October!! I managed to keep my Bonnie, thinking that the riding quota for each would tell the tale, and so as far as that goes, I've done 4000 ks on the Scrambler, 500 on the Bonnie since then. But that's not really the whole story, as the new bike mystique and running-in and fettling requirements have dictated a bit, and the Bonnie needs some tuning and maintainence right now.
I ride a bit with a mate on a new T100, and it's certainly faster than the Scrambler, but not as versatile or nimble, and he gets snaky when we get into rough stuff, Scram eats everything. Scram's got more torque, and an easy lazy motor that just pulls anytime from anywhere; also I think she's a slightly sharper handler, certainly on narrow winding mountain roads, and is easier to chuck about, quicker steering (different geometry) But the Bonnie is a slightly better open road bike, lower, you can tuck in, and revs easier at the top end...
I'm a mess, can I keep these 2 creatures happy? Will I have to choose? There are a zillion imponderables and nuances between them, but I can't bring myself to get rid of either, that's sure. One thing though, they're very different beasts. Maybe you should get both..??
I'll leave it there for the minute, there's another guy with both bikes, Scrambler900, on this site, his opinion might be helpful - cheers, Pat
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Buck, the question I'd ask myself is: "what kind of riding am I going to be doing"?

If using it for an in town runabout and hitting the back roads for shorter runs I'd think either would work fine.

If you want to do more mileage at higher speeds or do some "more sporty cranking through the twisties" I think I'd go with the T100.

I have a Bonnie and ran into a fellow that had a Scrambler and we swapped bikes for a quick ten or so mile ride. VERY COOL bike. A bit higher ride heigth and center of gravity. Of course had the wider bars that would get a bit old if riding at higher speeds for a long period. The thing I had the most "trouble" with was the 270 crank motor with its' blat/blat....blat/blat.....blat/blat... v-twinish sound... To me (an unabashed Brit 360 parallel twin man) the sound ruined it... It just wasn't "right"... It might just have been me and since I've got my Bonnie "moded" to my taste... I felt my 790 engine was faster reving and gave better acceleration. The Scrambler, which had the TOR pipes, seemed to pull fine.. more of a "torque pull" feel... But it felt "lazier"... Like it does want to rev quickly.

As cool as the Scrambler looks, and I like its' looks! The "standard" Bonnie fits my uses better for me...
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
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So, my '01 Bonnie was totaled by my brother-in-law, insurance settled, b-i-l sent me some extra $$$ to cover the hassles, money has been in the bank screaming to get out. Like the Bonnie a lot, so I have been looking hard at a new T100. I already have the center stand, back rest and a Corbin Smuggler seat which could be re-painted. But then I see that Scrambler in the showroom and it looks so cool! Has anyone out there spent time on both? I'm paralyzed with indecision!
It really comes down to the type of riding you do. If you're on gravel 30% to 50% of the time, the Scrambler warrants a hard look.

If you're on gravel or dirt only 5% of the time, I'd lean toward the T100.
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For the record, I have not spent much time on the standard Bonnies; but when I have, they have never spoken to me the way the Scrambler does. I think it is the blat/blat V-twinish feel of the motor to quote SCbonneville. I do think the Scrambler's front-end geomtery is also quicker into turns than the stock Bonnie and it is noticeable if you ride the bikes serially.

Nonetheless, you are making the choice!

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Old 01-23-2007, 03:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think it's going to be the T100. Thanks for all of your input, guys!

Be safe out there!
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Old 01-23-2007, 08:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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OK, bbuckley, here goes -
<BR>I have both the new T100 and Scrambler, and love them both. I ride the T100 somewhat more often because it has great tires that are better suited for the asphalt, are quiter, smoother and grip well. It also carves the curvy roads at speed a bit faster than I would dare to do on the knobby tires of the Scrambler. The T100 also steers with a bit more precision due to the different tires, 2" lower seat height and lower center of gravity, and even a degree or two difference in the steering head geometry. The T100 is more "pleasant" to ride. That said, the Scrambler is actually more "fun" to ride, and with the 270 degree firing order of the motor, and the off-road Triumph exhausts fitted (louder and more free flowing), the bike sounds very cool, and is louder than my T100 which is also fitted with the off-road TOR exhaust by Triumph. It is a "show off" play bike in terms of how it looks with that big high-sided chrome exhaust, plus how it sounds, being different from the T100. It sits 2 inches higher (which seems like a lot), is probably more comfortable for tall riders, and steers much faster than does my T100. For a bike that is about 95% similar to a T100, it rides with a very different feel that is hard to explain. For every 10 or 20 Truxtons or Bonnevilles on the road, there will be just on Scrambler, making it very unique among ther Triumph line. When I need to replace my dual purpose knobby tires on the Scrambler, I will probably go with the same Metzeler tires that came stock on my T100. Though I love the look of those knobbies, I also know how they ride at speed on a paved road, verses my T100, and I will feel safer when I have truer road tires on the Scrambler. I almost never ride in the dirt, and while the Scrambler has the looks (and some real features) to give it off road capabilities, that is not why I bought it. It is just very cool looking and even more distinctive than even the Bonnevilles. At bike events attended by motorcyclists who ride all brands of bikes, my Scrambler gets their favorable attention even more often than the Bonne bikes. Not sure why, but I think that big high-side exhaust makes the Scrambler stand out from the crowd. You will love either bike. Why not get two of them?!

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Old 01-24-2007, 12:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Buck,

Quite early on with my Scrambler I had to face facts, I'm no Scrambler! A couple of brave boys in the Antipodes go offroad with their's, but this is about as Scrambly as I got on mine :-D



So, the tinkering began. I lowered the rear end by fitting (shorter) bonnie length Ikons and dropped the front by 1/2", also put on speed triple bars. Rebuilt the wheels with Behr rims and put Avon road tyres on, a sort of bonnevillised bike I call the Scottish Rambler:

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Old 01-24-2007, 12:19 AM   #10 (permalink)
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johny, I like the Scottish Scrambler. Nice set of mods that really bring out the best of the bike.

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