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11-23-2012, 05:32 PM
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Supersport 600 Main Motorcycle: Bonneville T100
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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One shim or two?
What theoretically, would be achieved by adding another shim?
This is my setup:
2006 T100
140/42 jets
NBZT needles
1 x 0.5mm shim
Idle mixture screws 3 turns out
It runs pretty good
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11-23-2012, 05:45 PM
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A slightly richer bottom end/mid range.
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11-23-2012, 06:19 PM
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I don't speak out of posing to be a mechanic, only because I have the same bike.
Even with wide open pipes and Thrux needles (sorry I don't know the code, I think that's the needles you have) you should not need a shim, ever, and 3 turns is waaaaay too rich.
With 42's mine ran great at 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 turns, no shims, and that was on a dyno, not guessing with me arse. At 2 1/4 turns, I smell raw fuel.
Just my personal experience.
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Last edited by Bron-Yr-Aur; 11-23-2012 at 06:22 PM.
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11-23-2012, 07:03 PM
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+1. Mine stinks of raw fuel on tickover with the mixture screws anything over one turn with 42 pilots ...thrux needle (NBZT), no shims.
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11-23-2012, 08:38 PM
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Supersport 600 Main Motorcycle: Bonneville T100
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kreemsicleT100
With 42's mine ran great at 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 turns, no shims, and that was on a dyno, not guessing with me arse. At 2 1/4 turns, I smell raw fuel.
Just my personal experience.
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Thanks for replying.
The three turns-out wasn't arbitrary - it was the point reached that stopped the bike backfiring and made it run better than ever.
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11-23-2012, 08:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PieMan
A slightly richer bottom end/mid range.
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... by mid-range, I take this to mean better acceleration in higher gear at higher speeds, right?? - this is precisely what I'm looking for
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "bottom end" though ....
thanks,
GJ
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11-23-2012, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gjones
... by mid-range, I take this to mean better acceleration in higher gear at higher speeds, right?? - this is precisely what I'm looking for
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "bottom end" though ....
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Mike was referring to throttle position, not vehicle speed or gearing. Presuming you have the correct size mains, with NBZT needles, as a general rule, shims should not be necessary.
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11-24-2012, 12:28 AM
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Bottom end is your lower rpm range, the twisting force (torque) off idle. B02 made a good point: you have to make sure you're running the right mains. What pipes are you using?
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11-24-2012, 09:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by B02S4
Presuming you have the correct size mains, with NBZT needles, as a general rule, shims should not be necessary.
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I take your point. So essentially there is an equivalency of sorts in raising the needle to allow more fuel, and increasing the jet size, correct?
Could you suggest any metrics that could describe this i.e: jet size increments and 0.5mm shim equivalencies ?
thanks,
GJ
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11-24-2012, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kreemsicleT100
What pipes are you using?
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Both the air intake and exhaust are low restriction.
thanks,
GJ
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