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11-13-2012, 07:02 PM
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It doesn't say anything here about T6 being suitable for bikes, only DIESEL cars, trucks and buses.
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC...US)_TDS_v1.pdf
Last edited by denbow; 11-13-2012 at 07:03 PM.
Reason: typo
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11-13-2012, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by denbow
It doesn't say anything here about T6 being suitable for bikes...
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Yes it does. T6 is JASO-MA rated. It shifts just fine in my 865/270, although in hot weather the oil temp runs a bit hotter with 5/40 T6 than it does with Mobil-1 15/50
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11-13-2012, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Forchetto
It doesn't seem to meet the Factory specs, clearly stated in the handbook, either in viscosity or classification. It's also an "energy saving" oil which has been known to interfere with wet clutches.
Why not just stick to the Factory recommendations?, I quote:
"...semi or fully synthetic 10W/40 or 15W/50 motorcycle engine oil which meets specification API SH or higher (i.e. SJ, SK or SL) AND JASO MA..."
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Gee Forchetto why would you think that the factory would know which oil to use ? Especially when I can save a few bucks !
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11-13-2012, 09:30 PM
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The stuff works great in 1050 engines and IS rated for use in motorcycles with a jaso rating. Im thinking it has something to do with the sloppier tolerances of the p twin tractor motor needing thicker oil.
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11-14-2012, 12:28 AM
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OIL is the cheapest form of insurance to keep the engine in good shape. Go ahead and put the cheap stuff in, save a few pennies, cents, centimes, and then shell out some really BIG POUNDS, DOLLARS,FRANCS; when you replace all the parts later. Don't start WHINING about your bikes longevity because it'll definitely WHINE when its gears and bearings get fed cheap oil.
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11-14-2012, 10:54 AM
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11-14-2012, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan67
The stuff works great in 1050 engines and IS rated for use in motorcycles with a jaso rating. Im thinking it has something to do with the sloppier tolerances of the p twin tractor motor needing thicker oil.
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lol our tractor motors are about the same spec as your wanttabe rice rocket.
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11-14-2012, 12:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeinva
lol our tractor motors are about the same spec as your wanttabe rice rocket.
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Same specs really?! I own both,I know better. 113 hp in the wannabe rice rocket to the 60 hp in the bonny . Liquid cooled engine made to tighter tolerances engineered for the output and revs. 9500 redline for the tiger somewhere around 7 for the bonny. Top speed of around 140mph for the tiger and about 110 or so for the bonny,with tail wind. The list goes on. Rotella has a great track record for the 1050 motors,many of us use it with results indisernable from bike specific higher priced oil. Its cheaper,more readily available and does the same work. I stll use bike specific stuff in the bonny because she doesn't get ridden that many miles a year compared to the wannabe,lol.
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11-14-2012, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by luckyduck
I don't deny the good experiences that many of you have had with this oil in your bikes, but for my '01 Bonnie, Rotella T6 has not been a winner.
My shifting quality has become tougher and notchier with the Rotella over the Mobil synthetic that was in it before.
It's cheap and it works, but the fact is is that it doesn't work well for MY bike.
I will be switching back to Mobil 1 v-twin synthetic or trying Motul 5100 in 2000 miles. I might even try draining a quart or so of the Rotella and throwing in a quart of the Mobil or Motul to see if that helps.
YMMV 
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I had the exact same experience when I used this oil with a Suzuki Katana I had. Since then I stay away from Rotella.
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11-14-2012, 03:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan67
Same specs really?! I own both,I know better. 113 hp in the wannabe rice rocket to the 60 hp in the bonny . Liquid cooled engine made to tighter tolerances engineered for the output and revs. 9500 redline for the tiger somewhere around 7 for the bonny. Top speed of around 140mph for the tiger and about 110 or so for the bonny,with tail wind. The list goes on. Rotella has a great track record for the 1050 motors,many of us use it with results indisernable from bike specific higher priced oil. Its cheaper,more readily available and does the same work. I stll use bike specific stuff in the bonny because she doesn't get ridden that many miles a year compared to the wannabe,lol.
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.You ever been inside both bikes and measured any thing? I think you will find most of the clearances are very close to each other.Ever had your tiger on the dyno.Will you bet money it will out pull my old tractor motor bonnie?
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Last edited by mikeinva; 11-14-2012 at 03:08 PM.
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