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Twins Technical Talk Technical Talk for Hinckley Triumph Twins: Bonneville, T100, Speedmaster, America, Thruxton, and Scrambler.

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Old 11-01-2012, 01:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey there, I'm having an occasional problem with my gear switching to first while comming to a stop. As I was told at the msf course, gear down when coming to a stop. Anyways when the problem arrises its from the N to the 1st. It kicks back when trying to shift down. Its remedied by easing in the clutch on the ones before, like a bicycle I assume you can't skip too many gears


What can I learn from this?
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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not exactly sure what your saying. Your shifting from N to 1st and it's popping back into N?

Are you down shifting to 1 from say 3rd gear or 4th and just letting out the clutch?
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Holding the clutch in fully. It when I shift from n to 1st the shifter kicks back because the sprocket is moving. It's hard to explain properly but what I feel is the sprocket is moving while the chain is changing. I fully hold the clutch
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Do you mean that you are trying to go from (say) 5th to 1st without releasing the clutch between each gear? If so, I am not surprised you are having difficulties. You need to let the clutch out after each change of gear.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I can, and often do, shift from 4th or 3rd down to 1st without releasing the clutch with no problems.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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are you shifting to neutral when you stop? the only time I am in neutral is when stopped for quite a while. and when the bonnie is in the garage. I often shift from 5th to third when slowing down, and then from 3rd to 1st. no problems at all.
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:31 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Hey there, I'm having an occasional problem with my gear switching to first while comming to a stop. As I was told at the msf course, gear down when coming to a stop. Anyways when the problem arrises its from the N to the 1st. It kicks back when trying to shift down. Its remedied by easing in the clutch on the ones before, like a bicycle I assume you can't skip too many gears


What can I learn from this?
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First off make sure the clutch is properly adjusted as is the chain. My way of thinking 1st is for pulling away. So when going down the gears i would be stopped in 2nd then slip into first at a standstill. If i were still moving i wouldnt need any lower than 2nd.
Skippiung gears you can skip as many as the speed vs engine revs allow. If you want to go from 5th to 1st, wait till you are in 5th at @25!! rev to 7K and slip into first (estimates only). Sorry @ the sarcasm.
Not to knock msf courses but they are trying to keep the novice safe. There are still a mnultitude of different stopping options, these you learnr to apply to different situations as you experience them.
With trucks you are taught to keep it in gear till you stop then select the appropriate gear. Reason being with little experience you dont want to be playing footsie with the clutch and throttle when you should actually be covering the brake.
With experience you get to choose the gear while still moving.
I suppose that if you have to conciously think about what you are going to actually do then stick on the training side.
Just be aware that using all the available engine braking does have drawbacks like in the wet, get her into 1st with high revs and close the throttle and watch the rear end come round!
As for the kickback be firm with the stomp!
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:00 PM   #8 (permalink)
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coming from a trans re-builder and owner of many bikes. i LOVE this trans !!
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Are you shifting down from a high gear (4th or 5th) to 1st with no time between gear changes while the bike is slowing down?

To put it another way, are you going 55mph and then pulling in the clutch and attempting to switch all the way down to 1st gear?

I had this "kickback" once, and I wasn't paying attention to my speed and shifted from 4th in high speed all the way to first and it "kicked back" I realized I was going to fast and once I got into the range for 1st gear it slipped right in with no problems.

Try making sure that you are downshifting to the appropriate gear for the speed you are in. i.e. if you are going 55, and gradually slowing down, shift to 4th, then wait until 35 and switch to 3rd, and so on.

Hope that helps.
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