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Old 07-10-2012, 11:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy Puzzling loss of power above 47MPH...

An otherwise perfectly tuned and groomed 2001 Bonneville develops a slight blurbling loss of power under highway speed at WOT one day. It is dismissed by the rider as being attributed to the 100% humidity and exposed K&Ns, and does not otherwise manifest itself negatively.
A month goes by, and the hesitation under WOT worsens, but under all other conditions, the bike is fine. Even low speed WOT seems unaffected, and the idle remains strong with acceleration off-idle being unaffected.
Another month goes by, and by now, the bike is displaying dangerous power loss at all RPMs...but only at speeds over 47MPH. (gearing is 18/43). On the interstate, there is no gear where the bike does not exhibit a loss of power. A wah--blurble--wah, wah--blurble goes on for miles and miles (as if the machine is out of petrol) until the owner returns to sub-47MPH speeds, at which point, the machine returns to perfect tune. What ails this particular Bonnie where ONLY VELOCITY dictates state of tune?
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Carb diaphragms perforated or damaged?.
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possibly a plugged fuel line, or filter.
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I'd change the ignition coil and/or HT leads
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Carb diaphragms perforated or damaged?.
I had considered the same. I replaced the diapragms 2 years ago, preemptively, though I can certainly check them. What I find baffling (and partly why I did not already pull the carb tops to examine them) is that this is velocity based, not RPM based.

I cannot see how the diapragms would give trouble at speed, without deference to RPM as well.

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possibly a plugged fuel line, or filter.
Starting here makes sense. From the picture, it looks like you have aftermarket roundslide carbs?

I only mention that as I don't think those have diaphragms - although that was a good thought.

EDIT: posted at the same time as you - so they do have diaphragms. Fair enough.

I have experienced something similar where I had crap in the float bowls. Possibly you have water in there?

Maybe drain the float bowls - even remove and clean them - maybe blow the jets out with compressed air. Check all fuel lines for kinks and make sure they are clear. Check the fuel tap.

I'd start with fuel before going to the electrical. The eletcrical is a possibility, but work through it methodically.
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possibly a plugged fuel line, or filter.
I use no filtration, and the fuel flows freely. The carbs are clean, and there is no residue of any kind in the float bowls, nor is there any debris in the jets. Also, since fuel demand is based upon RPM, and not speed, I'm truly baffled.
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I'd change the ignition coil and/or HT leads
The coil and leads are dry and operating well. Further, I believe the coil would give issue at low speed as well, if it were the culprit.

Thanks for your input, though.
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I believe the coil would give issue at low speed as well, if it were the culprit.
not when my HT leads failed - high speed problem only
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Thanks for your reply.

I've gone back to the stock CVK carbs, as I could not tolerate the bogging of the CRs until 3200RPM. Otherwise, the CRs were flawless carbs, save for the cold start issues, and the lack of decent high idle operation, but I digress...

The main reason that I've not pulled the tap on the tank is that I don't experience this issue--even in low speed, high RPM conditions-- where fuel demand is at its highest, and I do experience it at low RPMs where fuel demand is rather low.

I also truly suspect an electrical issue, but have very little knowledge of the operational variables that make up the electrical system as a whole.

If I had to guess the issue, I'd say that there is a speed sensor that sends a signal to the ignitor or coil, or reads from the crank position sensor that is malfunctioning. I believe that after I obtain a certain speed, a faulty signal is being sent to the ignitor telling it to retard timing, or some such thing.

I am a former professional mechanic and handy with guages, multimeters, and dynamic testing. Short of lashing the bike down, putting it on the centre stand and having someone run it through the gears whilst I test dynamic impulses from the coil, ignitor, etc., I am severely at a loss here.

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Starting here makes sense. From the picture, it looks like you have aftermarket roundslide carbs?

I only mention that as I don't think those have diaphragms - although that was a good thought.

EDIT: posted at the same time as you - so they do have diaphragms. Fair enough.

I have experienced something similar where I had crap in the float bowls. Possibly you have water in there?

Maybe drain the float bowls - even remove and clean them - maybe blow the jets out with compressed air. Check all fuel lines for kinks and make sure they are clear. Check the fuel tap.

I'd start with fuel before going to the electrical. The eletcrical is a possibility, but work through it methodically.
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