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Twins Technical Talk Technical Talk for Hinckley Triumph Twins: Bonneville, T100, Speedmaster, America, Thruxton, and Scrambler.

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Old 04-17-2012, 08:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stuck oil filter!

So I decided to save some money and do the 500 mile service myself. Turned out that wasn't the best idea. I warm up the bike, drain the oil, and go to take the oil filter off when the stuff hits the fan. I have a three pronged oil filter socket attachment that gets tighter as you turn it, all that did was dent the filter and actually put a hole in it. Since the hole was in it already I decided to try the old hammer in a flat head and twist. All that did was end up tearing off the part closest to the ground and cause oil to go everywhere. Any suggestions on how to get half a stuck oil filter off? Thanks in advance!
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This:

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-inch-...nch-36778.html

Since the filter is already damaged, a set of large channel lock pliers might also work.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow! The factory air wrench must have gone wild.

My advise: drive that screwdriver in somewhere and twist counter clockwise from the bottom. You know things are backward looking down? Were you drinking beer on the first attempt? I find booze and wrenching is only a slightly worse idea than booze and riding. Both costly, only one deadly.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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At least next time if the filter is stuck you'll only have yourself to blame. There's no excuse for a filter to be that stuck. I'd try and get something through closer to the base.


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Old 04-17-2012, 09:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This:

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-inch-...nch-36778.html

Since the filter is already damaged, a set of large channel lock pliers might also work.
The bottom half of the filter is gone already so there isn't much room to work with as the frame gets in the way. I think I'm just gonna use this guy's method:
(5:45 for the goods). And there's this too: Oil Filter Removal tool What do you guys think?
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I've had that experience on a cage... not fun.

I've been using K&N oil filters... with the nut fixed to the bottom.

Makes install/removal straightforward.

Hand tighten plus a quarter turn. Never over-tighten...

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Old 04-17-2012, 10:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The very first removal of the oil filter is tough. The factory for some reason or the other puts them on WAY to tight.
I haven't run into that problem since 2005, and there is no way I can remember what I did to get it off. Just wrote this to let you know it's only the first oil change that is hard to do. After that just put the filter on 1/4 turn past tight or whatever the filter manufacturer recommends and your good to go the next change.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I ran into the same thing when doing my 500 mile service, but was lucky to have a pair of large curved pliers that broke the filter lose before destroying the canister. It appears that the engine builders don't apply a thin film of oil or grease to the gasket before installation which is bad for (2) reasons. The amount of torque required to turn the filter the 1/2 to 3/4 turn after contact would be much higher w/o lubrication and the gasket tends to stick to the bare aluminum after it's heated. None of what I wrote will help you get the filter off, but at least you'll possibly know why it happened.

I'd guess the dealers have a heavy socket style wrench (not stamped sheet metal) that spreads the load out - less apt to crush the housing. Also, I used a Bosch 3323 filter instead of their 3300 because it's almost an inch longer, holds more oil, has more filtering surface than the factory filter and sticks down to where I can grab it w/ a band wrench if things get stuck again.

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So I decided to save some money and do the 500 mile service myself. Turned out that wasn't the best idea. I warm up the bike, drain the oil, and go to take the oil filter off when the stuff hits the fan. I have a three pronged oil filter socket attachment that gets tighter as you turn it, all that did was dent the filter and actually put a hole in it. Since the hole was in it already I decided to try the old hammer in a flat head and twist. All that did was end up tearing off the part closest to the ground and cause oil to go everywhere. Any suggestions on how to get half a stuck oil filter off? Thanks in advance!

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Old 04-17-2012, 10:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I ran into the same thing when doing my 500 mile service, but was lucky to have a pair of large curved pliers that broke the filter lose before destroying the canister. It appears that the engine builders don't apply a thin film of oil or grease to the gasket before installation which is bad for (2) reasons. The amount of torque required to turn the filter the 1/2 to 3/4 turn after contact would be much higher w/o lubrication and the gasket tends to stick to the bare aluminum after it's heated. None of what I wrote will help you get the filter off, but at least you'll possibly know why it happened.

I'd guess the dealers have a socket style wrench that spreads the load out - less apt to crush the housing. Also, I used a Bosch 3323 filter instead of their 3300 because it's almost an inch longer, holds more oil, has more filtering surface than the factory filter and sticks down to where I can grab it w/ a band wrench if things get stuck again.

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That's funny cause we have the same exact bike judging by your icon and I decided to go with the Bosch 3323 too. The stock filter is flush with the bottom of the frame and I found that rather annoying when I first started this venture last night so I went ahead and bought a longer one.
I also figured the factory didn't lube the gasket. I'm guessing my filter is practically welded onto the bike. Guess it's time for me to custom fab a tool tomorrow.
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Out of curiosity, besides having a hole in it, how badly is the filter case damaged? The very bottom of the filter housing (as it's installed) does it still have its original shape and the flats still flat?

+++EDIT+++: I just reread where the bottom of the filter's gone - sorry. I went out to the garage to see if any thing jumped out at me & it's even more cramped than I remembered. Unless you have a centerstand and removed your carbon canister, looks like you'll need something like in that video.

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That's funny cause we have the same exact bike judging by your icon and I decided to go with the Bosch 3323 too. The stock filter is flush with the bottom of the frame and I found that rather annoying when I first started this venture last night so I went ahead and bought a longer one.
I also figured the factory didn't lube the gasket. I'm guessing my filter is practically welded onto the bike. Guess it's time for me to custom fab a tool tomorrow.

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