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02-29-2012, 07:33 PM
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Grand Prix 250 Main Motorcycle: Bonneville
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Gainesville, FL
Posts: 67 Other Motorcycle: Adventurer Extra Motorcycle: Sportster
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Broken Crankcase 2002 Bonneville
The crankcase and crankcase cover broke on my 02 Bonneville where the starter gearshaft fits.
I plan to try a fix because I don't want to replace the crankcase, especially for the cost of a new one ($4000). I don't really want to spend the time and effort to replace the crankcase from a salvage bike.
I did see an ingenious fix on the forum where a drill bit was used to extend the length of the starter gearshaft and the crankcase was drilled out to hold the extended shaft. I may go this route.
I think the crankcase & cover is cast aluminum, so I am considering welding the pieces that broke. The pieces are small and will make a difficult job.
I have a mig welder with aluminum wire. I am thinking to try & build up the bore where the starter gearshaft fits.
I appreciate any ideas or thoughts on this. In the meantime I just look at my Bonnie. She sure is pretty.
Thanks,
Bonavent
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02-29-2012, 07:46 PM
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Grand Prix 250 Main Motorcycle: Triumph Scrambler
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: North America
Posts: 43 Other Motorcycle: N/A
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Do you have any pictures?
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02-29-2012, 09:25 PM
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There have been complete engines on ebay recently for $800 to $1100.
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03-01-2012, 12:19 AM
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Site Supporter SOTP Vintage Series Main Motorcycle: 2007 Bonneville LeMans
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Sherwood Park, Alberta Canada
Posts: 7,895 Other Motorcycle: 1972 CB350 Extra Motorcycle: 1977 GS400
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Pinwheel Cycles in the US sells there engines on ebay. I have bought 2 or three from them and they are fantastic good guys. Never had an issue.
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03-01-2012, 01:01 AM
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Formula Extreme Main Motorcycle: '03 America
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by manray
Do you have any pictures?
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These failures all look the same. Later engine cases have support ribs in the casting around the boss. It's rare enough a failure I'm just keeping my fingers crossed, but I may look into machining a collar to press fit on the outside of the boss when I get some free time. Best of luck to you, Bonavent. Sorry I can't help with any advice other than maybe consider taking it to someone with a tig if you have any doubts about welding it yourself. Be sure to weigh time/effort/possibly won't work vs. just getting a used engine. If you get a latter 865, swap your cams in  Maybe talk to triumph first, as stated in some of the other threads, and see if they'll help out at least.
Failure pics from here: http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-talk...t-failure.html
Although it's small and not a close up, you can see the support ribs of the later casting in this pic from here:
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...b/CIMG0993.jpg
Last edited by Verde; 03-01-2012 at 01:04 AM.
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03-01-2012, 02:41 AM
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Grand Prix 500
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Sorry about your misfortune. Can you provide any details regarding the event that caused it to break?
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03-01-2012, 02:27 PM
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Formula Extreme Main Motorcycle: '10 Bonnie SE- aka Maggie
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Illinois
Posts: 768 Other Motorcycle: '82 Suzi GS1100GLZ Extra Motorcycle: '73 Suzuki TS50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Verde
These failures all look the same. Later engine cases have support ribs in the casting around the boss. It's rare enough a failure I'm just keeping my fingers crossed, but I may look into machining a collar to press fit on the outside of the boss when I get some free time. Best of luck to you, Bonavent. Sorry I can't help with any advice other than maybe consider taking it to someone with a tig if you have any doubts about welding it yourself. Be sure to weigh time/effort/possibly won't work vs. just getting a used engine. If you get a latter 865, swap your cams in  Maybe talk to triumph first, as stated in some of the other threads, and see if they'll help out at least.
Failure pics from here: http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-talk...t-failure.html
Although it's small and not a close up, you can see the support ribs of the later casting in this pic from here:
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...b/CIMG0993.jpg

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Is it just me or does part of the broken bore look to be heat colored?
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03-01-2012, 05:19 PM
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SOTP Vintage Series Main Motorcycle: 03 T100
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I think the best way to repair the case is to pull the motor so you can set it up in a mill or boreing machine(it must be done stright and center or it wont work) bore the hole through the block,then make a new boss press it in the hole you bored .I would get another clutch cover its not work messing with.
The easy fix would be to buy a used motor off ebay for $850 to $1250.You can allso buy used cases on ebay but then you have to buy gaskets .If you do the cases you will want to make sure you leave the pistons in the bores when you pull them apart.
If it was me I would buy a used motor.I dont think you want to weld the cases with a mig welder better get a tig for that kinda of work .I have a 250 miller mig with a spool gun for alum wire and I wouldnt try it with mine.Way to messy and heat spreads to much.
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03-01-2012, 07:03 PM
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Formula Extreme Main Motorcycle: 01 Bonneville
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
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How many bikes has this affected? Is there a run of vins?
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03-01-2012, 08:38 PM
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SOTP Vintage Series Main Motorcycle: 03 T100
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: richmond va
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its just kinda a hit and miss deal on the early years 790s
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