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Old 06-22-2011, 04:56 AM   #11 (permalink)
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UPDATE:

I've tried it with the positive lead on terminal 49a and the negative on terminal 31 as suggested in post 4, and it doesn't work right.

It bleeps OK in phase with the lamps, but it continues to work emitting a weak and distorted sound even with the flasher switch in off.

I'm staying with the original connections.

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Old 06-22-2011, 06:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This is a good solution to a problem I too have - leaving the indicators on, or just as bad, failing to turn them on properly.

The problem starts for me with the design of the indicator switch - it is pointlessly complicated. Ride a '70s Honda for example where the switch is off in the centre, indicates left when you slide it to the left, where it stays and the lights still flash until you slide it to the centre again for off. In other words without looking you can feel whether you are indicating at all and if so, which way.

With our switch (and many other modern examples) you get no positional info so you have to look - how unsafe is that? Given the feeble tell tale light which doesn't even remind you which way you are indicating, this is an ergonomic disaster.

I have finished ranting and sorry to do that in your thread Forchetto. The upshot is, the buzzer is the best and easiest solution to this I can imagine and I will be adopting it. Now, can you make it buzz in a different note for left v right? Just kidding...
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With our switch (and many other modern examples) you get no positional info so you have to look - how unsafe is that? Given the feeble tell tale light which doesn't even remind you which way you are indicating, this is an ergonomic disaster.
Are you serious? If you think you might have left it on (the only reason I can think of for looking at the switch) why don't you just press the cancel button anyway? Problem solved surely?
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Have to say I agree with Bugsy on the switch design. I find the button quite hard to push and clumsy with a gloved thumb. My Yamaha's indicator switch was criticised for being cheap'n'nasty back in the 90s when the bike was new, but it still works and is way easier to use than a modern push-to-cancel. If I could have that switch on the Bonnie, I would. Sometimes simple is good.

(For balance, the hi-lo switch is well-designed, and the start/kill/horn buttons are fine too.)
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Are you serious? If you think you might have left it on (the only reason I can think of for looking at the switch) why don't you just press the cancel button anyway? Problem solved surely?
If I think it is on when it shouldn't be, press for off is easy of course. If I think its off when it should be on I can re-switch. But its not necessary on a simple switch, as BlackDog says. Its extra brain involvement when you should be watching the traffic. Its a solution in search of a problem.

Imagine a roundabout and you want the last exit (going right in the UK). As you approach you indicate right, then at the penultimate exit you indicate left. You get no feedback from the system that your indicators are properly switched on either way. The buzzer will tell you without you taking your eyes off the road. Brilliant.

And yes, thanks for asking, I am serious
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Forchetto- could this be any more timely? I just bought a Signal Minder and concluded a) their service and reponsiveness was very good, and b) it is, FOR ME, more dangerous than stock. You see, if you just install the unit, with no other mods, then once it cancels the blinker, the bar switch thinks it is still on. Hence, when you get the next turn and hit the switch- (presuming that you don't remember to cancel) then it does not flash at all. I know, if you just remember to reset it by cancelling this is not a prob. If I was smart enough to do that, then I would not need the signal minder. I think that I need copy your beeper idea before I get killed. Thanks for the good info, a usual. Insert my usual rant that the regulator should make self cancelling flashers mandatory. Now.
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why didnt the automatic canceling signals used on the earlier yamahas catch on? they had a timer that shut off the turn signals, and a magnetic switch in the speedometer that turned them off after a set distance.
Now, I just make it a habit to press the reset button once in a while and during turns.
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why didnt the automatic canceling signals used on the earlier yamahas catch on? they had a timer that shut off the turn signals, and a magnetic switch in the speedometer that turned them off after a set distance.
Now, I just make it a habit to press the reset button once in a while and during turns.
My 1996 Yamaha XV1100 Virago has those and they're brilliant. The flashing duration depends both on speed and distance so for example if you're stopped at traffic lights the flashers won't cancel.
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My 1996 Yamaha XV1100 Virago has those and they're brilliant. The flashing duration depends both on speed and distance so for example if you're stopped at traffic lights the flashers won't cancel.
Before I bought my Bonneville, my previous motorcycle was a 1982 Suzuki GS1100. The turn signals on that were also self canceling and factored in speed and distance - like the Yamaha you describe.
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... Insert my usual rant that the regulator should make self cancelling flashers mandatory. Now.
Be careful what you wish for. Regulators don't just mandate what you do want, they also include all the stuff you don't. Think noise regulations and emissions stuff that half of us on here then spend time and money modifying. Look what is happening in France right now...
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