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Twins Technical Talk Technical Talk for Hinckley Triumph Twins: Bonneville, T100, Speedmaster, America, Thruxton, and Scrambler.

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Old 04-23-2011, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Easy Hazard Warning Lights for Bonneville SE

Hazard warning flashers have many uses for road users:

1- Some use them to park illegaly and try to fool the parking attendant that "They'll only be a few minutes"...

2- Blonde airheads driving sugar-daddies or husbands SUV's, unable to find a parking space that will fit both their behemoths and suit their lack of parking skills, stick them on to park up the kerb on any old street corner or in a pedestrian crossing. In front of schools an speciality.

3- Also, at least here in Spain, slow vehicles, like heavily-laden trucks going up long highway inclines, or vehicles with mechanical problems use them to warn approaching traffic to be ready for overtaking them.

4- Another use is to turn them on when approaching some sort of hold-up to warn following traffic that they're slowing down. This is also useful. It's surprising how disciplined people are when using this feature. The first car that turns them on will turn them off when the following car turns theirs on and so on, so you don't have a forest of flashing lights. This can avoid being rear-ended.

5- Silly motorcyclists that enjoy a ciggie on the move will find them useful when stopping on the side of the road to light up...errr, Oh, that's me I'm afraid . It's bad enough trying to light up in a strong wind without being also rear-ended by some blind motorist.

I have no use for hazard lights to park with the engine off. I always park off road and the bike's battery wouldn't tolerate flashing lights for very long without discharging and leaving you stranded, but I would like them for reasons 3,4 and 5.

With this in mind I've devised an extremely cheap, quick and simple way to provide me with this feature without going to the expense of a proper unit like the Signal minder SM-1 that also has a auto switch-off feature, costs a cool $110 and you'd have to read through the 38(!) page instruction manual...or complicated mods to the wiring.

https://www.kisantech.com/popup/mult...p?product=SM-1

You need a simple on/off switch that can be placed in a convenient position and doesn't look too much out of place. I've found a source of engine kill switches that fit 22mm (7/8") handlebars. They're sold to provide an engine stop switch to enduro and motocross bikes, and are of the "normally open" type, that's normally open when the button is at "OFF". Just what we need.




The whole thing is so easy that it has taken longer to type this than to fit it. All you do is choose a location for the switch, open the headlamp shell and locate the positive feed wires to both the front flashers. They're Green/white and Green/red.

Shorting those two wires together with the added switch brings on all four lamps together, but only when the normal flasher switch is used as well, this is the only disadvantage of this system. No great deal though.




Don't worry about overloading the flasher unit. You'll notice that the markings on it say something like: 2(4)x10w. The(4) means that it can operate either 2 or 4x 10w lamps. This is of course necessary for cars that normally have OEM hazard lights.

I have located mine close to the normal flasher switch close to the left switch cluster. I could have fitted it right next to the switch cluster rather than the clutch lever anchor bracket but then my Napoleon mirrors would fit further inside the bars making the rear view worse. Those of you with bar-end units can do it.



The disadvantage is that both switches have to be operated for the 4 lights to come on. As these hazard lights are not for use when leaving the bike parked, this is not a great disadvantage. When you feel that they're going to be needed you first flick the auxiliary switch ON and then when you need them operate bike's flasher switch either left or right as normal. Or the other way round.

There are ways of providing proper car-like hazard lights that work on just one switch wether the ignition is on or not, but they're a lot more complicated.

Examples of sources for these switches. Price ranges from $6.90 to $17.86 for the same switch (In the UK).

Search ebay for something like "kill switch" or "handlebar switch"

Cost 10.95 ($17.86)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200552347324&ssPageNam e=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Another at $7.44:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KILL-ON-OFF-SWITCH-HONDA-XR-CRF-50-XR50-CRF50-BIKE-KS01-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3a480f1bf3QQitemZ25031 7052915QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

And this one at $6.90:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KILL-ON-OFF-SWITCH-HONDA-XR-CRF-50-2-WIRES-ATV-PIT-BIKE-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3a62ad32a6QQitemZ25076 3621030QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

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Old 04-23-2011, 03:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Very nice Forchetto

May I make a suggestion for an alternative on the switch?

I believe you could install a compact rocker switch in that blanking plug area on the left side of the main left switch assembly - that blanking plug originally housed the discreet switch back when there was a manual light switch

Since the signals are already in that assembly, should be easy to wire it directly all within the housing

This is type of switch I had in mind:

http://www.e-switch.com/product/tabi...s/default.aspx

Panel cut-out is only 6.8mm x 19.2mm (~ 1/4" x 3/4")



Caveat of course is that I have not done this but I believe it will fit

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The disadvantage is that both switches have to be operated for the 4 lights to come on.
This can easily be overcome with a couple of diodes and slight change to the wiring arrangement - can be accomodated with either type of switch as desired:

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I had a look in that empty slot on the switch cluster, It's easy to remove the blanking strip. There's not much room in there and the metal of the bars seems perilously close to any contacts you put in there.

I also considered using a tiny push button in the alarm LED position on the idiot light console. The connections can then be made to the flasher idiot lamp.



I'm eagerly waiting for the circuit with the diodes...thanks.
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You amaze me Ken, How do you do that?... Thanks. I'll get on it right away on Monday.

I'm using 21 watt lamps on mine, with a higher-rated flasher unit, so I'll use bigger diodes, something like P600's, a 6 amp diode:

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oh wow - time for some LEDs Forchetto!

(note also that with those big bulbs, switch needs to be rated for 7A - 10A actual)

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.... There's not much room in there and the metal of the bars seems perilously close to any contacts you put in there.....
True, depth might be marginal.
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Don't worry about overloading the flasher unit. You'll notice that the markings on it say something like: 2(4)x10w. The(4) means that it can operate either 2 or 4x 10w lamps. This is of course necessary for cars that normally have OEM hazard lights.
Forcetto, I'm currently running 20W indicator lamps on the stock (and expensive) Triumph relay unit. Do you have a part number or a source for an upgarded flasher unit that I could fit in it's place, before I totally burn it out and have to fork out 50 for a new one...

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Forcetto, I'm currently running 20W indicator lamps on the stock (and expensive) Triumph relay unit. Do you have a part number or a source for an upgarded flasher unit that I could fit in it's place, before I totally burn it out and have to fork out 50 for a new one...

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When I changed my flasher lamps to 21w units I left the standard Hella 4DB003750-70 relay in there. Notice it's marked 2(4)x10w, meaning it'll flash 2x10w lamps, or 4x10w lamps when the vehicle is fitted with hazard warning flashers. Electrically it can cope. If you're not thinking of fitting 4-way flashers it'll be OK.

I had to uprate it to a Hella 4DB003750-71 relay when I fitted the 4-way flashers. The new relay is marked 2(4)x21w so it can operate either 2 or 4 21w lamps.

This uprated flasher unit is easily available in most car shops. It's a very common component as fitted to lots of small German and French cars.

More info on this thread:

http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-tech...l-visible.html

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Sorry I refloat this thread, but I'm willing to install the hazard flasers on my America.

I want to activate the 4-light hazard flasher just by operating the hazard switch, not by operating turning signal switch as well.

Is this diagram correct, respecting the diode location to accomplish that?

Thanks.


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