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Old 11-06-2009, 09:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Confused about Auto Tune and PCV?

I'm a bit confused about Auto Tune and PCV capabilities. Can you help this old fart understand the magic of Auto Tune?

I've used PCIII on several of my bikes and have a basic understanding of how it will allow the fuel map to be augmented. So I get the basics, or I think I get the basics of the PC capabilities H E L P...please!!!!

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Old 11-06-2009, 10:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Paul,
Basics are similar to the PC III. Same disabling of factory narrow band O2 sensors. But, in the case of the PC III, you either had to tune it seat of the pants or take your bike to a dyno and use an exhaust gas analyzer to determine A/F ratio as you manually calibrated the PC III or developed a new map for it which you could also install from another source. This functionality is built more or less into the new PC V. The PC V with autotune comes with a wide band O2 sensor. Note that bung size however is incompatible with the narrow band O2 sensors that are eliminated. So you will have to weld on a new larger I.D. bung to accomodate the autotune O2 sensor. How is works is, in autotune mode, the O2 sensor feeds back to the PC V and data logs A/F for different RPM points. When set to autotune, the PC V will automatically recalibrate A/F by adding or subtracting fuel to the injectors by evaluating the difference in A/F between current calibration and ideal calibration. A pretty sweet set up to avoid costly dyno time really with a noteable cavaet, you have to weld a new bung onto your EFI header. It has same open loop function however as a PC II or III and for that reason, some opt for the tuneboy which uses the input from the factory O2 sensors to adjust the map inside the ECM which also preserves closed loop factory functionality.
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks Thruxboy, yes very helpful!!!

Is there an advantage to Auto Tune over a custome dyno created map?

What is entailed in setting up Auto Tune? I'm no wizard and more then likely would screw it up if were more complicated then setting a few dials or switches.......

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Old 11-06-2009, 12:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The advantage would be cost. Optimizing A/F normally equates to maximum horsepower. So if you know your A/F ratio with supplied O2 and can use autotune to get to an ideal A/F ratio, say 13.2:1 or so, then can let the PC V self calibrate or auto tune. This keeps you from have to visiting the dyno to develop a map by trial and error. The PC V iterates the A/F based upon feedback from its supplied O2 sensor, much like the closed loop EFI works on your bike between factory O2 sensor and ECM. As to set up, pretty straight forward. Between instructions and dynojet tech support etc, you should have no trouble. The PC V is easier than all the others you have had and that was design intent as there was much trial and error with previous PC models. The biggest downside IMO is you have to modify your header to incorporate a larger bung for the wideband O2 sensor that comes with it.

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Thanks again., I think I get it now.

Should we meet.... I'd like to buy you the beverage of your choice!
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