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Old 03-17-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Suspension Question - Are these stock?

Still relatively new to the new Triumph (rode a 73 Tiger for a few years in college) but have lots of miles on lots of bikes. I have read a lot of people complaining about the stock suspension on these bikes. But after a month and about 1k miles on my 02 T100, about half solo and half pillion, I havent found mine too lacking. I rate it as better than my HD (ElectraGlide with air shocks) but not as good as my Ducati ST4.

Then I noticed that every pic I see of a stock Bonneville or T100 has all chrome shocks.
As you can see, the rears on my T100 are black with chrome springs. I started going thru pages and pages of the Bonneville pic thread and could not find any that look like mine. Upon closer examination, the only markings I can find on them are on the springs it says "Progressive Suspension 1368 105/150"

Are these aftermarket? Better than stock if they are? Wonder if the front springs have been redone? Might pull one out and see if it looks like a progressive type spring.

All problems of being 3rd owner of a bike that came with no records. But I got it pretty cheap so I am figuring it out a little at a time.

Heres a pic that shows the shock if anyone might help in identifying what I got on here....

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Stock..

They look like the stock shocks, with the body painted or powder-coated black. Quite like the look it gives.

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As you can see, the rears on my T100 are black with chrome springs. I started going thru pages and pages of the Bonneville pic thread and could not find any that look like mine. Upon closer examination, the only markings I can find on them are on the springs it says "Progressive Suspension 1368 105/150"

Are these aftermarket? Better than stock if they are?
From the spring markings, I'd think it could be Progressive brand shocks. But did a quick search on their website http://www.progressivesuspension.com but didn\t see any that looked the same. Might be an earlier model...

And IMO, most any halfway decent aftermarket shocks would be better than the stockers.
The stockers works ok if cruising at a leisurely pace and the road is smooth. However, on the crappy roads I have to ride, they transmitted way too much energy into my spine than I could handle. Also , they give a very vague feeling when the pace goes up.
(Now using IKON 7614's , nice to have shocks that actually absorbs when I hit potholes and frost heaves etc. )
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If the shocks say "Progressive Suspension 1368 105/150" they are NOT stock.
They are aftermarket. I believe that 1368 is the model and 105/150 are the spring rates.

They are much much better than stock.
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1368 is the spring model number

Wow - thought I was looking at my Lucifer Orange/Silver T100 for a moment. I am running Progressive 440 springs (which these look very much like). Although mine are all black, they can be ordered in several cosmetic combinations, including a chrome spring over black, as I recall. This pix may not have enough detail to compare, but give it a look.

http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n...GolfCourse.jpg

I pulled up some old paperwork from Progressive, and found that when I changed to a lighter spring (105/150) the SPRING model number was 03-1368-B.

So the number you're seeing is their catalog or product number for that particular spring. I doubt that they limit its use to only the model 440, but use it across several shock models.

If the shock has NO adjustments for compression or rebound damping, and the top preload adjuster is designed to be turned by hand, chances are good you have a set of 440 shocks.

440 shocks use a valving mechanism that automatically compensates for rebound and compression damping.

Regarding pulling a fork spring to determine if it is stock, there may be a shortcut. Remove the fork cap (front of bike jacked or blocked up, of course). If the preload spacer is 3" (approx in length) your bike has the longer Progressive springs. If the spacer is 8-9" long, I suspect the bike still has the stock springs. However, I think one of the aftermarket progressive spring mfgs makes a spring that uses the Triumph spacer .... not sure about this.

Some other subtle but nice additions on your bike:
- Lower handlebars with bar end mirrors
- chrome headlight clamps (looks like)
- chrome cam cover
- chrome chain guard
- aftermarket tail lamp and turn signals
- shorter rear fender

Lookin'good!

Hope this helps.

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Thanks, I put the bars, mirrors, tail lights and turn signals on shortly after purchase, as well as bobbed the rear fender myself. Thought it turned out well got all the ideas from this site.

Mighty good looking bike you got there Bob, great taste, lol.

Called Progressive this morning (found out they are right down the street from my office). Guy in their Customer Service ID'd them as their 412 models which I guess are their basic entry model, but should be better than stock.

Guess that explains why I couldnt understand why everyone complains about their stock suspension....

Will check the spacers on the front, sounds like a 15 minute job, though I guess if they are stock length it doesnt tell me anything for sure, would think if someone is doing the rears though they would do the fronts too. (hoping anyway)
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If you got the bike from SBT, then who knows what you got (meaning they sell a bunch of aftermarket stuff you conspiracy twits ). They look like Progressive's to me.

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[EDIT: Lucas indicators, tail light, M-Bars... hey ain't that Carlos' old bike? ]

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