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Old 04-19-2007   #1 (permalink)
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So this afternoon, cruisin' through my apartment complex at about 15mph or so, I accidentally put pressure on my shifter... and the bike dropped into 1st... without the clutch pulled in. I thought to myself "what the heck is this...?" and I went ahead and tried pulling it back into second without the clutch, then into third...

It didn't sound like it was grinding the gears or anything, but I popped right into gear every time without a problem. Either way... I don't know that I should be able to do that.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong... and perhaps explain to me why I'm able to do this.

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Clutchless upshifting has been popular for years and may put less strain on the tranny than using the clutch. Clutchless downshifting is considered a no-no, tho I can't tell you why off the top of my head.

I usually use the clutch, but when done properly the clutchless shift is smoother and faster. And cooler.
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The only problem is when you don't do it correctly. The dogs on the gears chip, throwing metal into your oil. WHOOPIEEE!!! :brk: ">
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Unless you are racing theres no need for clutch-less up shifts. Even when that is done the throttle chop just before the shift.

Like the poster before stated, clutchless down shifts are a destroyer of gears and is a definite no-no.

Its hard for me to imagine you did not feel or hear a harsh grind when it happened on the down shift.
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Thats it "When done rite". In the old dirt bikin dasys - never used the clutch cept to start & stop. Triumph same -"When done rite"probably lesss stressful on the tranny than using the clutch? Got a friend w/ a Honda shadow 35000 mi. Never used the clutch cept for starts & stops since new. It takes some practice but not hard to do rite. Saves wear on the clutch & cable?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "clutchless" shifting also called speed shifting? Or is that something else all together?
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I use the clutch on even gears when down-shifting, but no clutch shifting up, unless it's an odd gear. In that case I also use the clutch when shifting down three gears provided those gears do not overlap 2nd gear.
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sometimes I fake like I have a behind the leg jockey shift on clutchless upshifts.

It gets me some interesing looks from my friends that know I do not have a behind the leg jockey shift. :upthumb:
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Contrarian, and orthodox, view:

Much of the time you CAN shift up without the clutch. Most of the time you CAN'T shift down without it without grinding the gears. And it takes repeated good luck/ and or a lot of practice to do it well, especially when shifting down. And, regardless of your skill, there are those inevitable times when you botch it. You won't have to guess when that is, the bike will scream your mistake at you.

Remind me not to buy a used bike from a clutchless shifter. Wait a minute, isn't he the same guy that says its good to keep her at the red line as much as possible? That the rev limiter is a stupid, conservative, useless addition? And that break-in is a myth? And that almost NOTHING that the engineers at Triumph, or any other manufacturer for that matter, designed is really what should have been designed? Like a clutch, for example.

Having raced for many years, I am unconvinced that the throttle hesitation required to sync the gears when you speed shift without the clutch is any faster, and may in fact be slower, than shifting up through the gears while holding the throttle wide open and feathering the clutch as you snick through the gears. Of course if you don't give a ***** if the gears grind now and then, well, go for it.

Save your confederate dollars, boys, and your gears, and use the clutch. Or get a scoot with a variable speed tranny.

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Contrarian, and orthodox, view:

shifting up through the gears while holding the throttle wide open and feathering the clutch as you snick through the gears.
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Without hitting the rev limiter? Man, you must be quicker than me, or your engine must rev up much slower than mine..
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