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Old 05-25-2006, 02:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Just got my new Sacrambler seat and it has the old Logo on it, as posted by BillyRaff. and infact the tank badge is the old logo.
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Now that's interesting.

Oh, you mean the New old one (non connecting "r"). Not the old old one.

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Old 05-25-2006, 02:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Just got my new Sacrambler seat and it has the old Logo on it, as posted by BillyRaff. and infact the tank badge is the old logo.
same on my 05 bonnie black. maybe 07 will have the new logo. who knows.
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Confusing, isn't it. We have the "old" logo, pre-Hinckley, with the rocking R that curls under the H and back through it.

The "old" NEW logo, where the rocking R just stops between the P and the H;

And the "new" NEW logo that seems to be on buildings but not yet on bikes -- or, wait for the mystery! -- is it?

Its not on multibob's new Scrambler; its not (I looked) on my Bonnie Black -----------

???????????Where, or where, is it?????????

The trials of owning a Triumph...............

Perhaps we have a condition here known as "using up old stock." Eh, what, Sherlock???

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Old 05-25-2006, 05:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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The Globe logo...
I think that might be a Triumph Car logo.
They use the globe....



Although if you read through Ian Chadwick's Triumph Timeline you'll learn all abput the transition and logo change with change of ownership and location....there WILL be a quiz... :wink:

Here's a short exerpt from it:

"Maurice Schulte leaves company and retires with a generous 15,000 pounds 'golden handshake.' Schulte had apparently argued with Bettmann who was opposed to Schulte's proposal to drop bicycle production and move into car manufacturing. Schulte did not want to stay with two-wheelers, but Bettmann did.
Colonel Claude V. Holbrook joins, and takes over Schulte's role as General Manager. Holbrook, however, agreed with Schulte about car manufacturing and would quickly drop bicycle manufacturing and start car production. "

So the car company and bike company do have a small connection....kinda.
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Old 05-25-2006, 05:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The "Rocking R" theme has had several variations, starting in the late 1930s...

I like it because it is what I grew up with, was on my '68 Bonnie, first new bike, and was the logo on all the Tshirst of my heros, like Gary Nixon, etc. Plus I think it is elegant.

The current logo, the third one of your pics, is particularly inelegant because the rocker of the R doesn't go anywhere.

The one on the RAT logo is a little better, but less elegant to me because it cuts through the name.

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I'm with you on that, Monte. I much prefer the old logo. By the way since you mentioned your first Bonnie, '68, I have a '68 TR6 being restored. I had a new one in 1966 and have wanted another one for years.
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Old 05-25-2006, 06:21 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm not sure who owned the trademark at the time....it may have something to do with Harris still making bikes when Mr Bloor first set up his factory....

You have to remember at this point when that was all happening my age was in single figures....I was just the daughter of bikers that had this on the local news....

As for the new connected R logo....the new clothing range has it on, but I haven't seen a bike with it on yet.


The globe logo - is definately a car thing. BUT Triumph in that kind of script but not the same did occur pre WWII. I've been trying to find a pic and I'm not sure this is going to work....


OK so now I've previewed it it does...and that is the pic of a hankie by designer Paul Smith....but that was the script I was looking for.

I think there were other logos pre that....

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Old 05-25-2006, 06:30 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Irony of ironies....

Just received this in another forum....

Negotiations to take over the Triumph works are complicated by the fact that the West Midlands County Council, which had partially funded Triumph in the last years of its existence, hold the right to the Triumph name and has a claim on some of the assets.

I presume that included the logo...

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Old 05-25-2006, 07:19 PM   #19 (permalink)
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If you history buffs will look at page 10 of Lindsay Brooke's "Triumph Motorcycles: a Century of Passion and Power" you will find a nice, concise, history of the Triumph logo and pictures of three early logos:

One a badge, topped by a crown, from the Coventry factory from 1903-06 (called a shield by Brooke which may be the proper English term.)

The next is a "globe varient" (there were several over the years) from 1923-33 which is a colored world globe over which are the words, "All over the world," and above that the larger word "TRIUMPH" in simple block letters.

The third is what I call a "Rocking R", and have heard called here in the US for years, probably because of the term as applied to cow brands, which Brooke calls a "Swooping R" -- likely because cattle branding and rustlers and all that were sort of a Western US phenomena!! Whatever it was called it was used as early as 1914 and sporadically until 1936 when it became the official logo of Triumph Engineering Co. And used, as I posted earlier, until the demise of the Meridian Triumph operations.

The globe was a MOTORCYCLE logo as early as 1923 and was used as the primary logo through 1933, decades before there were Triumph automobiles. About cars: refering to the globe logo, Brooke writes: "A similar design was used for years by Triumph cars, with the H sporting a tail that underlined the word Triumph."

This is particularly interesting in that Gina's hanky pic by Paul Smith says, clearly, "motorcycles" -- but was apparently the car logo at the time, and I see no evidence anywhere that the back sweeping underlining H was ever used by Triumph in its publicity about motorcycles or on its motorcycles. Strange. (Who was/is "Paul Smith" anyway? Gina, you say he is a "designer." Clothing? Cars? Bikes?)

Anyway, this is a fascinating subject and I'll keep digging through my pile of ancient Triumph artifacts and see what else I can come up with.

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Old 05-25-2006, 07:26 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Thanks for clarifying that Gina. Could be that Bloor was just being careful by making something that looked like the old logo but was different enough legally.

Sounds like the globe logo predated the swooping R as well as the split between the car and motorcycle businesses.

I do know that the globe logo was used by the car folks as late as the 60's, my old TR4 had hubcaps with globes on them, and the cars often had globe hood ornaments.
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