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Old 11-03-2012, 12:56 PM   #71 (permalink)
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mike you have intelligent things to say i just wish you would use capitals and punctuation because i justabout go blind every time i read oneofyour posts
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:56 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Only if you want to hit the starter button and ride. If you want to tweak it, you'll have to go with carbs.
You see that is just the sort of garbage comment I'm talking about!
Sure if you are familiar with carb' tinkering it may be easier for but if like me you're more familiar with button pushing EFi is the easier option so that comment that you "have" to go with carb's is just untrue.

You will of course (eventually) hit a limit with the standard injectors, TB diameter and the fuel delivery capacity but that will be long after the mod's most owners do and probably long after the carb' owner has swapped his CVs for something a little more exotic so it's only fair the EFi owner should be permitted the same and then the fun can really begin, but that isn't the question being asked here.
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:08 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I was being sarcastic.
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:39 PM   #74 (permalink)
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both sides atack just as much CD COBRA your as bad on carb bikes as I am on efi bikes.I dont know why you have trouble starting your carb bike.I think alot of the reason some of us carb guys start talking bad about the efi is do to the fact that guys like you that buy efi bikes first come on here and tell us what you have to do this and that to carb bikes,or they have this trouble or that trouble.When most of us have had them for years and know its not true.Maybe just maybe some of us carb guys might know a few things about the efi on your bike .I dont have a thing againest efi bikes.I do not like some of the things I know about the efi twins though but if one leaves the bike near stock those things wont hurt anyone.I bought my bonnie too keep untill the put me in the ground.If was going to trade a bike in every 3 or 4 years and keep it stock the efi would be good to go.BUT I do think that if you keep the efi bike as long as some of us have had the carb bikes I think they will cost more to keep on the road because there is so much more to go bad on the efi bike.Being a mechanic since the 70s I can say nothing last forever on any thing that runs so the odds are the more thats on something the more there is to go bad.both the efi and the carb bikes motors are pretty much the same peace for peace so parts inside the motor should last just as long.carbs do have troubles in time but then so do injectors both stop up and can leak down.After spending 1000,s on triumph parts over the years and seeing the prices I would not want be buying high priced sensors, injectors and ecu. coils pickup coils and ignter is all we have to stop our bike from getting us off the road besides the carbs and a dead batteryYour efi has all of those pluss all the sensors you allso have injetors that can go bad in place of our carbs.
You ecu cost about double what ours does new.Check the facts see if i am telling you wrong.
How am I as bad on carb' bikes as you are on EFi? I have a carb bike and intend to keep it a long time as I do my EFi Thruxton. I've had many carb' bikes over the years and every Spring I have troubles starting unless I go through a process of draining the float bowls, maybe the fuel formula you have over there or your climate make a difference but that's how it is, it's not a big deal, a once a year thing and it would not (and has not) put me off owning a carb'ed vehicle. I would not attempt to put someone off buying a carb' bike in-fact I've said many times to make the choice based on many other factors and not even consider the fuel system, aren't you just a tiny bit more biased than I?

OK so you know some mysterious secret about the standard EFi system it doesn't seem to stop many folk getting good results with it for the mod's most are prepared to contemplate. OK so you've gone further than most with your bike and perhaps you could not have tuned a bike with such modifications (over 20% capacity hike) with the standard EFi system but then correct me if I'm wrong, you didn't do it with the standard carb's either?

I agree that the price of sensors and ECUs is an issue in the eventual event of a breakdown but this is more down to the markup which the (bike) OEMs put on these, most of these sensors are available at a reasonable cost. But you give the impression that there are a myriad of these and in reallity there are very few (coolant temp, air temp manifold pressure *2, TPS CPS & O2), the carb' bikes also have the TPS & CPS and can't use the O2 (the whole reason we have EFi in the first place) and they can be deleted so I think it only fair to cross these off our list. It would even be possible to fix these at the roadside if that was a big worry to someone.

What about the future? Well I've got to say I'm not too worried there, sure the (few)sensors and the ECU will eventually fail but I know that right nowI could rip the whole lot off and get the motor back up and running (with an even better system) at a cost which would not be prohibitive and in the future this situation is likely to improve as the EFi knowledge base and component supply improves (EFi will be around for a good while yet). In-fact this is already happening, many of my buddies in the four wheel world have, like me, replaced the carb' systems on their older cars with EFi and are reaping the benefits of more sophisticated tuning giving higher power outputs throughout the RPM range whist using less fuel (which is a big isse in the UK at over 6/gall) . Or am I making this up too?
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I was being sarcastic.
I wonder how I (or the poor guy looking for advice) was supposed to know that.
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Old 11-03-2012, 02:50 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Wait, I need to go back and re-read all lefty's posts now. Has this lack of seriousness been going on long???
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Well Mr. Logan, people read what you write and take it seriously. How would you feel if someone, after reading one of your posts, actually went out and purchased a Guzzi? Or actually believed that Corvettes are appropriate cars for non-pedophiles? Words matter lefty, words matter.

Now, I've been searching for an EFI conversion kit for my Matchless, don't tell me that was a joke too ...
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Wow, I had no idea my words had that much power. To think I could be responsible for non-pedophiles driving Corvettes... *shudder*


I apologize to you all and will go fall on my sword in shame.


Wait, you got Prop's Matchless?! He said he was going to sell it to me. Two-faced prick...
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Two faced .... well, you could be right, I've not ever seen the other side of it. He's modest that way.
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