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Old 11-27-2005   #11 (permalink)
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If I could have pulled over and waited 5 minutes I sure would have. The shoulder of the road was narrow with a large drainage ditch running along side it, very few dirt driveways in that 20 miles. I was passed by 2 Harley's and 1 of those high priced scooters. Just wanted to make sure that because I am new to riding on the street that I do every thing right so I can ride safe. It's like when I go lawn mower racing you know which guys race clean and which ones will wreck you to win that plastic trophy. Thanks guys.
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Biking, like life is a war.

You dont -have- to win every battle to win the war, although in this case you will die at the end of the war.. You just want to make sure everything is well used and worn out and get your moneys worth out of that body... no sense in dying with lots of bits still working well

regard these confrontations as a test of your survivability.

dont take this too heavy
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Old 11-27-2005   #13 (permalink)
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They were a bunch of a-holes. What brand bikes were they riding?
Must have been Hardly's... The Cafe Racers are not into slow. Either motor-scooters or Hardly's.
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Old 11-27-2005   #14 (permalink)
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On 2005-11-27 13:49, Mp350 wrote:
I am new to riding on the street that I do every thing right so I can ride safe.
I don’t think you want to spend too much time thinking about what may be right. If it feel right to you then do it. Sometimes even doing the right thing may get you into trouble. If I do not feel right about a situation I take corrective measures. You need to reach a stage where you are part of your bike and you don’t even think about doing certain things. This will however come with time.
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Old 11-28-2005   #15 (permalink)
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"Must have been Hardly's... The Cafe Racers are not into slow. Either motor-scooters or Hardly's."

What is a Hardly's?
Why use the possessive ('s)?
When using periods of ellipses, the next word should not begin with an upper case letter unless it is a proper noun.
Neither sentence is a sentence.
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Old 11-28-2005   #16 (permalink)
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Wow. this site is great. Not only do we get information regarding jets, shims, and pipes. We also get an English lesson.



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Old 11-28-2005   #17 (permalink)
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>>>>Now I could have weaved through them to get by put I don't know if that would be the proper thing to do,

As you did, with lots of oncoming traffic, I probably wouldn't have tried to pass all of them at once. If they had left a fair amount of space between each bike, then I might have tried to pass one bike at a time on the left.

This bothers me: Often, I'll have another rider come up from behind and "join me as if we're long, lost buddies" in the staggered position just off to one side or another. Then occasionally, a car changes lanes into my space. One good handfull of brake and a swerve on my part and there's 2 bikes down in the middle of the 405 while the car drives into the distance.

My request - If you want to ride staggered with me, still give a second or two of space - particularly in heavy traffic

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MP350 if I would have pulled up along side of you and the light changed, I would have let you go first, after all I did pull into your space..motorcycles are intitled to a complete lane..after we all got going and you were to slow I would have passed you other wise I would let you go..
I'm sorry to say you indeed did meet up with some real Dorks..sorry to say on Harleys to, in all fairness as a older person, with plenty of gray hair and beard I have a few youngsters try me on for size..I suppose they figer I'm just a old fart, LOL well I'm a young fart in a old body...the point is there will always be some dorks out there, on bikes, or in cars, it don't matter..you did the right thing, and as others have pointed out to you, just pull over have a coke and forget it..
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On 2005-11-27 08:22, Mp350 wrote:
Pulled up to a street light on a two lane road, 2 bikes pull up behind me 1 pulls up along side me. Light turns green bike next to me takes off fast, I fall in behind hit the speed limit and the other 2 bike pass me and get into the stagger formation, then proceed to drive below the speed limit.
Yep, grade-A jackasses. No bike should even have pulled up alongside you at the traffic light, and the other two should certainly not have passed you and then slowed down.

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For the next 20 miles can't pass too much traffic to safely pass 3 bikes. This is my first street bike and I only have 1500 miles under my belt but this has to be bad etiquette or is just me. Now I could have weaved through them to get by put I don't know if that would be the proper thing to do, so I just followed behind them with about 8 cars riding my butt because this group decided to drive 5 miles under the posted speed limit (speed limit 60). Just wanted to rant a little, feel better now.
Disclaimer: do not take what I'm about to say as any sort of suggestion for what you should do in such a situation. Ride at your comfort level only.

That said, I tend to pass fairly aggressively in situations like this. To some extent I can get away with it because there's not a whole lot of traffic in Vermont, so if I were riding somewhere with denser traffic I might not try it. But what I do when stuck behind slowpokes, especially when I'm getting close to a nice section of twisty road that I want to enjoy, is look for an approaching gap in oncoming traffic, drop back a little from the slowpoke in front of me, drop down a gear, then crank the throttle open, accelerate fast, pass quickly as close to the center line as possible (without being unsafe), then pull back into my lane quickly while still accelerating hard to open up a bigger gap between me and the vehicle I just passed. This usually allows me to get around a car or a small group of bikes in just a few seconds -- the caveat is that it requires a fair amount of simultaneous mental calculation. You need to know your bike thoroughly so you can judge how quickly you're going to accelerate when you drop a gear and open the throttle (and therefore coordinate this with the approaching gap in traffic); you need to be extremely observant to make sure you're paying attention not only to the upcoming gap in oncoming traffic, but the vehicle(s) in front of you and any potential roadside hazards coming up, and even vehicles behind you to make sure they don't have the same idea as you. Personally I wouldn't try it if any of the drivers/riders either ahead of or behind me seemed particularly unpredictable or aggressive, and I do tend to wait for large gaps in oncoming traffic with clear sight lines (no blind corners or hills!), even though the actual pass happens very quickly. In consistently heavy traffic, I'd simply resign myself to going slow and hope that the slowpoke turns off.

I would NOT try to thread my way between bikes in my lane in order to pass them. And in general I'd prefer to pass in the more leisurely, commonly-accepted manner -- the above is obviously riskier than simply waiting for a straightaway with no oncoming traffic, rolling on the throttle, and pulling around.

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I don’t think you want to spend too much time thinking about what may be right. If it feel right to you then do it. Sometimes even doing the right thing may get you into trouble. If I do not feel right about a situation I take corrective measures.
I agree. For some though, 'feeling right' is passing, while others would have white flagged and stopped. Depending on oncoming traffic I would have passed, which based on the description seems a better/safer situation than the position MP was in.

Now...back to that English lesson. :-D

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