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Old 02-04-2009, 05:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Transatlantic battle of the twins......hummmm

The battle between the Stars and Stripes and the Union Jack !!

New for 2009, The TransAtlantic Challenge Class is added to the Battle of the Twins series, pitting Triumph Thruxtons against Harley Davidson Sportsters. The TransAtlantic Challenge replaces the Thruxton Cup for the 2009 AHRMA road racing season. Both marquees will compete in near Supersport trim to promote close, exciting racing.


March 2-3 Daytona International Speedway, Daytona Beach, FL (Tech Day March 1)

April 24-26 Willow Springs International Raceway Rosamond, CA (April 24, AHRMA run practice day)

June 12-14 Road America, Elkhart Lake, WI (June 12, AHRMA run practice day)

June 19-21 Grattan Raceway Park, Grattan, MI (June 19, AHRMA run practice day)

July 24-26 AMA Vintage Motorcycle Days, Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, OH (July 24, AHRMA run practice day)

Aug 7-9 Virginia International Raceway, Alton, VA (Aug. 7, AHRMA run practice day)

Sept. 4-6 Bonneville Vintage GP, Miller Motorsports Park, Tooele, UT (Sept. 4, AHRMA run practice day)

Sept. 11-13 Sandia Classic, Sandia Motorsports Park, Albuquerque, NM (Sept. 11, AHRMA run practice day)

Oct. 9-11 Barber Vintage Festival, Barber Motorsports Park, Birmingham, AL (Oct. 9, AHRMA run practice day


WHAT IS AHRMA?

The American Historic Racing Motorcycle Association is the recognized leader in classic motorcycle racing in North America, and one of the premier vintage organizations in the world. AHRMA is a member-owned not-for-profit association offering national and regional road racing, motocross, dirt track, cross country and observed trials competition. AHRMA also showcased “alternative’’ modern racing–Sound of Singles®, Battle of Twins®, and Sound of Thunder®.

For additional information visit our website: www.ahrma.org
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Both marquees will compete in near Supersport trim to promote close, exciting racing."

Translation:

Harley will be allowed to dramatically alter their bikes to all but guarantee wins, otherwise they would never have agreed to it. It's just not their way. Period.

I can't wait to see the ringer$ they hire to ride in Orange and Black.
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well if I'm still out west for this September the T100 and I will be going to New Mexico for sure.
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"Both marquees will compete in near Supersport trim to promote close, exciting racing."

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Harley will be allowed to dramatically alter their bikes to all but guarantee wins, otherwise they would never have agreed to it. It's just not their way. Period.

I can't wait to see the ringer$ they hire to ride in Orange and Black.
The "supersport" trim is referring to the rules class in the AHRMA handbook.

"supersport" rules under section 9.8.1 of the handbook mandates using stock frame, forks (internals may be changed) and virtually stock engines.... among other items... There are rules specific to the series under handbook section 10.11 e ... that do give the hardley's a couple of mods that the Triumphs don't get...

The allowed configuration basically follows the Thruxton Cup rules...

It should be an interesting series... and BTW... the new XR1200 is NOT eligible for the series...
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This is a really cool idea but the only way that this will be fair is if displacement are evenly matched. I mean that a 865cc Thrux shouldn't go up against a 1200cc bike. 883 vs 865
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This is a really cool idea but the only way that this will be fair is if displacement are evenly matched. I mean that a 865cc Thrux shouldn't go up against a 1200cc bike. 883 vs 865
If you compare hp/torque per cc of displacement the Triumph compares better to the 1200 Sportster, which has a bit more torque but has a weight disadvantage. A Thruxton would eat the 883 alive...

I've seen a number of the Thruxton Cup races and really enjoyed them. But with Nixon and Springsteen moving on to Moto ST racing, the series has lost some of its luster, so to speak and participation has dwindled a bit...

Making it the "Transatlantic Challenge" series should pump up the enthusiasm and participation...

This is going to be an interesting series to keep an eye on... It should offer some really great action and pitting the Triumph and H-D camps against each other brings a fun angle to it too...
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"Both marquees will compete in near Supersport trim to promote close, exciting racing."

Translation:

Harley will be allowed to dramatically alter their bikes to all but guarantee wins, otherwise they would never have agreed to it. It's just not their way. Period.

I can't wait to see the ringer$ they hire to ride in Orange and Black.
I agree I bet they will put the best riders money can buy on the HDs.You can bet if HD puts a race team out there the bikes wont be run of the mill ether.If only triumph would get behind the guys rideing there bikes like HD does.
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I feel like Triumph is getting set up to fail..... HD has the money and as the 2 oldest motorcycle marquee's there is more at stake then just who won what race.
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I don't know. I think it could be fun.

it could bring back the local shops and independents into Racing. Both bikes are rather inexpensive, and both have a big backing of enthusiasts.

From what I understand Buells are not allowed to enter, so it will be the sportster motors running, vrs. the buell air cooled motors.

I would love to see groups of British twins going to the races to watch, along with the sportster folks.

I think Triumph will do good. They handle well, and there are some really good grass roots motor work being done.

I think the fans would love the sounds of both of the bikes too.

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I feel like Triumph is getting set up to fail..... HD has the money and as the 2 oldest motorcycle marquee's there is more at stake then just who won what race.
I'm not that suspect of AHRMA...in the vintage events, HD doesn't get such an uneven playing field that they win. I race a vintage BMW in the historic production class and see quite a few races...

My read of the basic transatlantic challenge rules gives the HD riders a CC advantage, but also requires that they use unaltered stock frames (way heavy) and forks. No buell heads or other bits...

Should be fun.

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