Triumphrat

trucku

Great site.

I am part of a few truck forums and a good bike forum has been long overdue.

Her is the low down. I did something stupid. I know about vehicles to know what I allowed was dumb. BUT about 5 years ago I had a little a little one, so my little tt600 has not been ridden since. I last started it about a year ago. I used to start fine and (NO dummy me did not put a fuel additive in it) I never thought much of it. The bike had a dead battery and I would jump start her and run her for a good half and hour to hour every time.

About a year ago I tried to star her up and I could hear the fuel pump whine and then stop. She will not start. I assume its all gummed up with old fuel.

I plan to pull out all the injectors and clean them. My question is do you think I should order a fuel pump now or can it be cleaned out? If you have any other course of action please advise it would be appreciated.
I know the Triumph gods are made at me right now.

My bike is a 2000 Red/Silver TT600 with about 1700 miles on it. It has been serviced for a recall on some wiring back in 2001. I was told by my dealer that they only put synthetic (group III I assume) in the bike, so I am hoping that quality of oil would have some good longevity.

I am trying to get this beautiful bike back on the road, so any advice would be appreciated.

I will be buying a manual asap.

Thanks
Vishant

Will

Oil should be OK, but I would change it. I don't see why you couldn't clean the fuel pump and injectors with some injector cleaner, but I haven't had to think about a many year problem with injectors before. I would suggest all kinds of wonderful solvents I have used and depleted the ozone layer with in the past, but I can't say what will eat the plastic parts and what won't. So, I would suggest starting with a lot of injector cleaner and then work through all the other things you can think of. The worst that can happen is you will still have to get a new pump, and something might do the trick just fine.

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trucku

Well if it goes that well then I am a happy.
I was waiting for the brick to drop with all kinds of issues that may be at hand.

This bike is stock with all the throttle issues when I bought it. Is there a new update for the fuel injection system? What can i do to get rid of this horrid throttle response and lag...lol?

Thanks for your response.

I can't wait to get her back on the road. I still think its a great bike over its temperment.

I will do some reading here tonight.

Thanks again for your response.

I will change out the oil. Hope I can cross reference the filter and maybe order a huge hastings, wix or baldwin. She ran hot as I remember, so maybe a oil cooler may be in order.

Oh yeah change the fuel filter too...lol Wait maybe that my issue..

rustbucket

This site may help in your oil filter quest: http://www.speedfour.org/maintenance/S4_parts.html

With car engines that have been out of commission for a while I always did an oil change with cheap oil, ran that for 500 miles or so, then did a second change with a fresh filter using the good stuff. My logic is that the first oil change will allow the oil to pick up any gunk that's built up, and then fresh oil to change out the oil with all the gunk in it.

Of course, that's my completely unscientific opinion and so probably means nothing :P

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waxyourboard

Starter Fluid comes to mind.Try it for a bit, but don't get carried away with it.

Since it's a bike, what I'd do is pop the tank off (watch out for those fuel line fittings) and drain it. Or you could even siphon it out. Put some fresh premium in there and some fuel injector cleaner. Crank it over, see if it turns. If not, plugs are gonna be your best bet.

Every year, my buddy parks his jetski for only 6 mo's, and every time, all I have to do is change the plugs out, and it starts right up and runs great. (mind you when i pulled them, I checked them and they didn't look bad, but replaced them anyways) Also, I crank it over for a while (total of 30s or so) just to get any possible moisture out of the engine and get the oil pump primed so she's ready to run when you finally get her started.


So anyways, change the gas, fuel injector cleaner, and change those plugs. More than likely they either corroded or just got fouled with that old gasoline.

trucku

Thanks for the link.

I think that was a great suggestion. I did that with my truck when going from dino to group III synthetic.

Thanks

trucku

ok will try. I did hear the fuel pump make a "whiny" sound then go silent. After that when I turned the key no more fuel pump sound. I will drain it and put in some new gas.

I have been reading the forum a bit. Lots of information to be had.
Can someone shoot me a link to buy a maintenance manual for this bike if available?

I only put 1700 miles on her since bought new. I have lots of catching up to do this summer.

waxyourboard

For the fuel pump - have you tried it again after the first time? What some fuel pumps will do is prime to a certain pressure and then cutoff. Not sure how fast leakdown would be, or if that even applies to the triumphs fuel pump.

Once again speculating, but the fuel pump should have its own filter on it to prevent debris from entering the pump, or at least some sort of mesh 'sock'

trucku

I feel like I remember it turn on every time. It just made a weird noise then went silent. normally you hear it for just a few seconds as I remember.

I even popped the gas cap open for a second as I normally do for it to start.

I think my neglect has gummed it all up. This site has some great reading and links. I don't have a manual yet, but already know what the underside looks like. I didn't know the pump and filter was in the tank. I guess this will be a in the apartment job (after I drain it).

trucku

This is the fuel pump assembly BEFORE! The tank has been remove and the fuel pump assembly removed from inside.
Brace yourself.



This is the fuel pump assembly AFTER! Hours later and numerous Ultrasonic baths (disassembled for cleaning)

The fuel pump was totally frozen. I would not spin with 9v or 12v. I just kept on giving it Ultrasonic cycles. I finally pulled off the pre filter and was able to see into pump. I could see the impeller. I tried to move it but it did not move. I thought the pump was dead. I ran it through many many more cycles of 140+ degree soapy water. Eventually it turned when I pushed on the impeller. It was obvious the pump was extremely gummed up. After 2 hours in the Ultrasonic cleaner I was able to energize with the 9v batter and have it kick over 45degrees. After some more cleaning time I was able to run the filter on 12v. It kicked out lots of cloudy fluid. I ran it in the cleaner while if pumped cleaning fluid through itself. I am so happy that this pump is not dead. What a relief.




This is one of 4 injectors that was cleaned. They were very dirty with rusty residue on them. They also did not make much if any noise when I energized them (9v) battery.

Here is the first one cleaned. I did 6 cycles of 8minute Ultrasonic baths. I also pulsed injector while in the bath to allow it to be cleaned thoroughly.


The tank was a nightmare to clean inside. In the end I zip tied a sponge with the green pad to a long old wooden spoon and just reached in and scrubbed away. This was after many man attempts to rinse out the inside with very hot water. It took about 2 hours before I had it clean. I dried the inside of the tank with lots of paper towels.

Adding more pictures.