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04-05-2008
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#1 (permalink)
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250 Grand Prix Favorite Bike: 2006 Triumph Sprint ST
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 133 Other Motorcycle: 1993 Kawasaki KLR650 Extra Motorcycle: 1993 Suzuki GS500E
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D600
What would you consider D600's highlights? I can get a good deal on one. I dont know if I should just buy the D675 for twice I would pay D600.
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04-06-2008
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#2 (permalink)
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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don't know about the d675 (although hear great things) but generally triples tend to be more fun. They have a character that's between the twin and the four.
It tends to make the bike more diverse. Although that's my experience. So, question is, are you going to use the bike for fun, or for work?
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04-06-2008
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Grand Prix 125 Favorite Bike: www.daytona600.org
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Penn, nr Wolverhampton, West Midlands
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Quote:
Originally Posted by a1fa-
What would you consider D600's highlights? I can get a good deal on one. I dont know if I should just buy the D675 for twice I would pay D600.
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I might sound biased but I've owned 2 x 600's and 1 x 650. I've ridden the new R6 and the Honda600rr. Although thy're track focused, they hurt - wrists, back and knees. When I've got back onto the D6 the only thing I get off with is a smile. The handling and performance is similiar to the Yami/Honda IMHO but thats on my riding style.
I haven't tested the 675 but as it's fighting the R6, 600rr and the zx6r in the same market place, i can only think its going to be very similiar - it feels narrow and wristy when you swing your leg over it
If your unsure, theirs a link to a Jap v D6 comparisson
http://www.daytona600.org/viewtopic.php?t=10145
Last edited by Spudda : 04-06-2008 at 08:27 AM.
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04-06-2008
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#4 (permalink)
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Official Leathers Tester
Site Supporter Team Owner Favorite Bike: Very fast 675
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,665 Other Motorcycle: Very stationary Commando Extra Motorcycle: A couple of 'em
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I haven't owned a D6 or D650, but I did put about 50K miles on two TT600s and own a 675 now. A D6 or D650 is essentially a much improved TT600. It is lighter, more powerful, and has better fuel injection, but the ergos and overall feel of the bike is similar.
Engine- a 675 motor is a triple, giving it more torque, and it has about 10% more horsepower at the top end. It sounds like a lot, but you will never notice unless you are looking for tenths on the track. Both have a smooth, progressive feel and are a bit deceptive. They are not like R6 motors which "get into the powerband" at some rpm level. They both have a smoother curve, although both will really scream above 9 or 10K rpm. A 675 will just scream a little more forcefully.
Transmission- both are very good, although a Suzuki transmission is just a hair slicker. Compared to a Yamaha or Honda transmission, they are excellent. I don't know much about Kawasaki transmissions, so I can't comment. The 675's might be a little more refined.
Ergos- here is the biggest area of difference. A D6 or D650 is wider and plusher. The bars are fairly high and the riding position is roomy. Their ergos are well suited to road duty relative to 675 ergos. 675 ergos are aggressive to the point most people wouldn't like them on the street. The pegs are not as high relative to the seat as on my old TT600, but the bars are low and the bike is extremely narrow. Commuting on a TT600, D6, or D650 is a whole lot more pleasant than commuting on a 675. I know people who have done 400 to 500 mile days on a 675, and I have put well over 100 miles in on mine, but it isn't a bike you look forward to long rides in the country on. A 600 or 650 is such a bike.
Looks- you decide what you like. They are very different.
Rarity- there are a whole lot more 675s around here than D6 or D650s. Four cylinder Daytonas were never common, and you almost never see them. I see more S4s and the occasional TT600, but there is only one D6 I can remember seeing recently, and it was at the track. The owner is involved with NESBA, so I see it fairly regularly, but that's it.
Price- well, you already hit on it. Is a 675 worth double a 600 or 650? I don't think so unless you are track focused or just have to have one. I just had to have one and don't regret spending the money. My brain short circuited and all logic and rational thought got defeated. There were some red left over Daytona 600s I probably could have got brand new for a little more than half what I paid for my 675. If I hadn't been so dead set on a 675, I probably would have considered a 600. But, the reason I didn't jump from a TT600 to a D600 or 650 was the incremental difference between the two. They weren't different enough for me to justify replacing a TT600 with another four cylinder Triumph, as much as I like them. The 675 is a completely different bike, with completely different ergos and very different power delivery and characteristics.
I hope this long ramble helps a little.
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04-06-2008
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#5 (permalink)
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250 Grand Prix Favorite Bike: 2006 Triumph Sprint ST
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Location: Arkansas
Posts: 133 Other Motorcycle: 1993 Kawasaki KLR650 Extra Motorcycle: 1993 Suzuki GS500E
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Excellent info. It sounds to me like D675 is worth the money.
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04-06-2008
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#6 (permalink)
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Senior Member
250 Grand Prix Favorite Bike: 2006 Triumph Sprint ST
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 133 Other Motorcycle: 1993 Kawasaki KLR650 Extra Motorcycle: 1993 Suzuki GS500E
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How is the suspension on the 600?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudda
I might sound biased but I've owned 2 x 600's and 1 x 650. I've ridden the new R6 and the Honda600rr. Although thy're track focused, they hurt - wrists, back and knees. When I've got back onto the D6 the only thing I get off with is a smile. The handling and performance is similiar to the Yami/Honda IMHO but thats on my riding style.
I haven't tested the 675 but as it's fighting the R6, 600rr and the zx6r in the same market place, i can only think its going to be very similiar - it feels narrow and wristy when you swing your leg over it
If your unsure, theirs a link to a Jap v D6 comparisson
http://www.daytona600.org/viewtopic.php?t=10145
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04-07-2008
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#7 (permalink)
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Official Leathers Tester
Site Supporter Team Owner Favorite Bike: Very fast 675
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
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The 675 suspension isn't necessarily all that much better than a 600 or 650, at least in its stock form. I was able to carry fairly high cornering speeds on my old TT600s, to the point I was told to either cool it or run race tires. You can't do that if the bike doesn't handle. A Daytona 600 or 650 will handle as well or better. The rear shocks are pretty good, even stock. A 675 shock has a very heavy spring, so you will have to change the spring to get it dialed in for your weight unless you are pretty big. The bike also handles very, very well. All of them have fully adjustable suspensions at both ends, so you can get them well dialed, even stock. The only upgrade I would suggest on either unless you are racing is a new shock when the OEM shock wears out. I had a Hagon on the TT600, and it was outstanding. I have an Elke on the 675, and it is also outstanding.
Be aware that a D600 or 650 is a more stable bike, and if you are really pushing hard, the 675 will have a tendency to tuck the front end in a way the four cylinders don't. If you are not doing trackdays or racing, you will probably never experience it.
The only other advantage I can think of for a 675 is aftermarket support. I am not sure who, if anybody, makes much of anything for the 600s any more. Nobody ever made a full exhaust, and there are a number of parts with only one or two suppliers. Most of the aftermarket has jumped on the 675, so it is pretty easy to find ways to spend even more money.
I am not trying to talk anybody into or out of either bike here. Just pointing out the differences so you can decide if a 675 is worth double the price to you.
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