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Old 07-20-2004, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'd like to get more torque on my Speed Four, but since I'm still relatively new to motorcycles, I don't know that I'd want the possiblity of doing wheelies from throttle alone. I'm not talking about the throttle hard, pause, then throttle hard again to preload the front, just good ole hard throttle.
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Old 07-20-2004, 01:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a 2004 S4 and it is my understanding that this bike comes stock with a 45T sprocket. I have never had the front come off the ground with throttle alone. Any feeling of lifting the front has always been a combination of throttle and clutch manuevering that I am still attempting to get consistent. If anyone has a good step-by-step for doing this consistently I'd love to hear it.
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Old 07-20-2004, 01:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Throttle and clutch? Jeez... that's a little overkill. All's you have to do is get it up to about 25 m.p.h.ish, let off the gas real quick, then get on it. Voila! Front wheel up!

No clutch, no nothing. Just make sure that you have your foot on the rear brake should you get a little higher than intended.

Also, I say 25ish. I don't go by speedometer, just feel. Right around there is the sweet spot.

Now go out there, try it, and let me know!
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Old 07-20-2004, 02:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I probably should have added the disclaimer that I am 6'3" and about 210 lbs... which may affect my ability to get the wheel up. That said, I'll give it a try tonight and let you know!
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Old 07-20-2004, 02:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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6'1", 190 here. You should have no problem.

If you have the seat cowl on, slide a little back until your butt touches it, get a good grip on the grips, bow your arms out a little bit, let off the gas real-quick like, then full throttle it (all in the wrist)! That's it!

But by no means is this intended to be used. Wheelies are illegal and dangerous, so this is for information only.
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Old 07-20-2004, 02:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have an 03 Speed Four and I'm pretty sure the stock is 42T. Now, I'm not trying to do wheelies--I'm trying to avoid inadvertant ones. Is a +3 sprocket dangerous for a relative newb?
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Old 07-20-2004, 03:05 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The Speed Four is dangerous for a relative newbie, as is *any* of the current 600cc crop. The bike already has more torque and horsepower than you need (I''ve been riding sportbikes for 10 years, and it's more than what I need).

Adjust your suspension, and practice cornering before you do any mods. Then you'll learn to utilize more of what the bike has to offer versus making the bike capable of doing more things (with you scope of reference remaining the same). Then do it faster. Then do it lower. Then dive in later. Then brake later. Then give it more gas. Maybe then get a different sprocket.

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Old 07-20-2004, 09:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If you don't want to do wheelies, just sit forward on the seat. It won't lift its front wheel and you too. For what its worth, my bike doesn't do big lurid wheelies even though it is pretty healthy and has a big rear sprocket on it. The reason is that I am not that heavy and I keep my weight forward. The farthest off the ground the front wheel has ever been is a couple of inches, unless the wheel is off the bike!

So, if don't worry about wheelies. Just stay forward and don't follow the advice about the quick roll off and on. No problem.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:28 AM   #9 (permalink)
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only once when i had my +3 rear sprocket on did the front wheel come up without me trying to, kinda a surprise, but either way, i can get my front end to come up on throttle alone, no clutch, no on/off/on motion, not even really snapping, just smoothly twisting the throttle the whole way in 1st and it'll come up, so it's just a matter of knowing how hard you can twist the throttle
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Old 07-21-2004, 09:06 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, Ldog... It took a couple of tries but the wheel came up a little at first and then more with each subsequent attempt. I guess I stand corrected on my original statement. Thanks for the tip. :-D
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