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Old 09-20-2012, 03:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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TT600 Valve Adjustment pt. 1

All the usual caveats apply - don't try this at home, RTFM before doing anything, all service should be performed by a Trained Triumph Service Technician, take lots of pictures and notes so you know how everything goes back together, etc.

That said, it's a fiddly though not impossible job. The main thing is to take your time and be thorough. Double-check and triple-check everything.

First, a little backstory: I bought my TT600 years ago as my first track bike, and it's served me well.



I paid $2K, and for four years, I never did anything more to the engine than change the oil and it ran like a top. Then over the course of the last year, I started riding my racing SV more. Then I crashed the SV and broke my thumb. Meanwhile, the TT has sat, neglected but not complaining. A few weeks ago, with a fresh battery but the old gas, I tried to fire her up. It took a while, but she finally started and ran great once warm. Every time I tried to start it after, though, she didn't wanna. And when she finally did start, she had a hinky idle and some throttle weirdness until thoroughly warm. So I decided that it was time for a thorough service: air filter, plugs, fluids and the dreaded Valve Adjustment. I've done locknut adjusters on my airhead BMW and the wife's 250 Ninja. I've done sliding rocker arms and shims on a big Kawasaki ZRX 1200 (click here to see that job). But this required taking out the cams. It scared me. But it must be done, so...

I got it on the stand and on the carpet. Fortunately, my garage is air-conditioned, which makes a huge difference in my comfort level, and therefore my patience level, which is very important for this sorta thing. The right side of the tank is dented - was that way when I bought it. Found a decent used tank on e-bay for $90, so that got replaced too.



Fairings, tank, airbox and seat off.



Revealing throttle bodies and a lot of tubing and connectors.



The radiator had to be moved, but not re-moved, to get the valve cover out. Obviously, we have a li'l leak at the gasket. I suspended the radiator with some zip-tie to keep stress off the hoses. It's a tight fit, but the cover will come off through the right side.



Before I even got to the valves, I found a new mess.



That's one of the tubes from the Idle Air Control stepper motor to the throttle bodies. There are four of 'em. And every damn one was cracked at both ends, which would explain the starting/idling problem. A new set was ordered, then backordered. In one case, I got some vacuum hose from an auto parts store and improvised, replacing the old rubber.

There's also a similar tube running from the FI back to the ECU. It was completely knackered. I'm surprised the thing ran at all.

The coils and plugs came out and the valve cover off.



Revealing the guts. This is a cam and bucket. To check clearance, you put it in second or third gear and rotate the engine with the back tyre until the pointy end of the cam is pointing away from its respective bucket, then measure with the feeler gauge. That part's easy.



I was hoping everything would be within acceptable tolerances, but I had four of 16 out of spec (tight). Two on the intake side, two on the exhaust. That meant the cams had to come out, which sucked. But the rest of the valves were on the tight side of tolerance anyway, so I figured I'd re-shim everything.

Now, taking the cams out and putting them in ain't that hard. It's a buncha bolts, and you gotta do 'em in sequence, and a li'l at a time, like a half or full turn. Easy does it, or things further inside start bumping into each other.

Before that, though, you have to turn the engine so that cylinders 1 and 4 are at top dead center. Easy enough, since there are handy arrows and markings on the cam sprockets and the crankshaft. Remove the crankcase breather cover and turn the crank so that the arrow lines up with the the split between the case and cylinder, and the markings on the cam sprockets line up with the top of the head. See the manual for details, but here's how it looks.

First, the cam sprocket marks - lined up nicely.



The crank, however, did not align like the manual says it should. This would be a source of consternation, but more on that later. The important thing is, I took pictures of all of this before disassembling anything.

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Old 09-20-2012, 03:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Part 2

Next, you take out the cam chain tensioner (simple - see the manual) and top rub/retaining plate, and then you start unscrewing the cam caps. This is fiddly, since while 1 and 4 are at TDC, the valves on the other cylinders are in various stages of actuation, so there's pressure on the cam and valves. Patience is required. Progress is slow and methodical. Once everything's undone, the chain gets pulled off and the cam comes out. You remove one cam at a time, according to the Holy Book of Triumph. I removed the intake cam first, then exhaust. The cams, caps and bolts got laid out in the order they were removed. Here's the first one



When the cam out, you're facing this. With the bits out, the buckets and shims are easy to get to.



The buckets come out and the shims replaced one at a time. This is the top of the valve stem, shim removed.



Beneath each of those buckets is a little tiny shim, 7.48 mm in diameter. They tend to stay with their bucket when removed, thanks to the oil, but be careful - you don't want to drop one.



Earlier, all measurements were recorded on a worksheet, along with proper spec and difference. Did I mention this whole process is very fiddly? As each shim was removed, it was measured with a micrometer and noted (although the thickness is printed on them, the printing can wear, as can the shim). Maths were then performed to determine the correct thickness needed for the replacement shim.

Click here for a worksheet!



Basically take the difference between measured clearance and ideal clearance (I use the larger, looser end of spec as ideal, as the tendency is to tighten over time). Then, take size of old shim, subtract the difference from spec (since you want a larger gap, you're going to use a smaller shim) to get the ideal size of the new shim.

Simply put:

Old shim size - difference from ideal spec (ideal gap minus measured gap) = new shim size

or let's say you have an ideal gap of .15mm. Your measured clearance was .11mm. The difference is .4mm. Your old shim was a 2.6mm.

So 2.6mm - .4mm = 2.2mm for the new shim to achieve the desired gap.

On the worksheet, ideal replacement shim thickness was noted, as was the anticipated clearance when complete. Since all the math was done beforehand, it was just a matter of picking out the shim and putting it in, then putting on the bucket.

And so forth 16 times!

Now, factory shims come in smaller increments, but cost about $8 each, although some shops will swap shims with you for free. I haven't even been in a shop in years. So I got an aftermarket shim kit. It has shims in increments of .05mm, which probably isn't going to give you an exactly matching set of clearances, but you can get them within 1 or 2 thousandths. Yes, it's a compromise. No, you're not building a MotoGP motor. Get over it. Or spend 8 bucks a shim.

Now came time for reassembly. Although I had pictures of everything, I was a bit perplexed as to whether the 1 and 4 pistons were actually at TDC where they were supposed to be. The Holy Book of Triumph showed pictures of the crank indicator level and even with the seam between the case and cylinder. But mine clearly was not. I needed to make sure I was at TDC before putting the cams back in.



You will notice a hole above the crank where you can see the actual rod, complete with "Triumph" logo embossed. That's one way to check for TDC (1 and 4 rise and fall together), but after consultation with a friend of mine who knows more about this stuff and who was exceptionally patient and helpful with my many questions, I went with the low-tech method of stickin' a straw down the No. 1 hole moving the engine back and forth to find the highest point.



I used one from a Circle K Polar Pop - at 75 cents for a New-York-City-taxable-sized jug o' soda, they're the best deal going. And they come with reeeely long straws. And unlike screwdrivers, straws won't scratch the piston.

Problem now was, TDC appeared to be somewhere between even with the crankcase split, or just past it, as originally noted. Then things got weird.

I slathered everything with a 50/50 mix of moly lube and engine oil, according to the manual, put the cams in place and put the timing chain on, but when the crankshaft mark was aligned with the split at the case - as per the manual - with the chain pulled tight the marks on the cam were off regardless of what tooth the chain was on.

However, when the marks on the cams were right, the crank was... just past the crankcase split, where it was before I disassembled the thing. Since that's how it came, that's how I decided to reassemble it.



I found it easiest to put the exhaust cam in first, then the intake. However, the chain would slip and do stupid things while I tried to put the intake cam in, so I attached it to the exhaust cam with a zip tie to keep things from shifting off the proper tooth. Worked a treat. The white zip tie is running over the frame and under the cam chain, loosely, to keep it from falling down into the case while the cams are out or being moved around.



With both cams in place and the chain loosely draped over the sprockets, it was time to torque down the cams, progressively tightening each of the 10 bolts on the caps in the order prescribed by the Holy Book of Triumph. What the scripture doesn't tell you, though, is that the cams will turn slightly as you tighten them, on accounta the cam lobes contacting the valve buckets.

Fortunately, each cam comes with a cast-in hex nut gizmo so you can make a fine adjustment with a wrench once the caps are bolted down (and _before_ you tighten the chain!).

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Old 09-20-2012, 03:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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TT600 valve Adjustment pt. 3

With everything bolted down and aligned, it was just a matter of fitting the chain and tensioner and the top plate and making sure the thing would turn through a couple of rotations without anything stupid happening, like valves bumping into pistons. A couple of rotations, back to TDC, and the marks lined up.



Fortunately, nothing stupid happened. But when I checked the clearances again, I found one valve way tight. That meant taking the whole mess apart and doing it over again, which sucked. Turns out, I'd misread the shim size and used a 2.6mm instead of 2.5, which made me feel like an idiot for not double-checking the printed size with a micrometer and then triple checking after that. But since I'd already done the assembly and disassembly once, I managed to get the cam out, put in the right shim and get it all back together in about 45 minutes, which included cigarette breaks and time allotted to kick myself for being sloppy.

Clearances were re-measured, everything was on the loose end of spec, and the engine spun without stupid things happening. Time for...



Then we gotta put the covers back on. The Holy Book just says to put the gasket on the cover, place the cover on the head with some silicone in the specified spots, and tighten. But it ain't that simple. The gasket is a floppy one-piece mess that includes seals for the spark plug holes in a string down the middle. And no, you can't set it on the engine and then put the cover on, because there is a slotted groove along the top that fits in the valve cover and it's easier to do it this way. Trust me. I tried both.



I've worked on other bikes with separate circular gaskets for each plug, and it was easy. This is one of those things that convinces me that engineers and designers are people who never actually have to WORK on the things they create. Keeping that line of plug gaskets in place while fitting the cover in the tight space between the frame and engine was a pain innee ass.

Cover on, plugs and coils in.



Next order of business was to fix the vacuum leaks. Every line from the stepper motor got replaced, which delayed the whole project. The parts ended up backordered. Could be worse. Could be an Aprilia.



After that, the airbox went back on, with a new filter.



I also put on the new tank. I used the hardware from the old tank, including the fuel pump assembly. That was a revelation! I forgot to take a proper "before" picture of the accumulation of crud that had built up, but here it is mid-cleaning. Modern gas is crap.



Then the tank went on.



And the rest was put back together. As sportbikes go, it's a bit roundish and old-school, but I think it still looks sharp.



I had the time for a test ride, but opted instead to just try starting it and running it for a few minutes. After all, I was planning to take it for a long run the next day. It took a bit of cranking on acounta the entire fuel system being dry, but when it fired up, it ran like the proverbial top. I let it cool off, and on the next attempt it started like a champ.

False confidence!

I took it out the next morning and, while it ran and revved smoothly, once fully up to temperature, it would stall if I closed the throttle completely. My dumbass mistake. After adjusting the valves and fixing the vacuum lines, of course the idle was likely to change.

It's always the little things.

Things I learned along the way:
  • Get the manual! It will save you endless grief and guessing.
  • You can do it. It just takes patience.
  • Triple-check everything.
  • Plug up any holes - spark plug, crank case, etc. - in case you drop something.
  • You will drop something. A magnet-on-a-stick tool is a must-have
  • I take the most-used feeler gauge blades out of the tool and tie 'em on a long loop of string. Makes them easier to access, and if you drop a blade, you can retrieve it easily.
  • Do not confuse inches and mm! My feeler gauge is in inches. Conversion is Inch X 25.4 = mm and mm X 0.0393701 = inches. I have the formulas tacked up on my wall.
  • Use torque wrenches! I had to buy one because the torque on the cam caps is only 10nm, which is not much, and I didn't have one that would go that low. It's an excuse to buy a new tool.
  • Recheck clearances after refitting the cams.
  • Do a thorough warm-up and test ride and idle speed check!
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This definitely needs to be stickied. incredibly wealthy knowledge!

Also, I noticed you live in Tally. Where do you race? does the track have a website? I live about an hour away from tally and I've been wanting to do a track day but I thought there were no tracks within under 2+ hours nearby.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:01 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Wow, that looks like it was intense! Props!
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Haha, just noticed the "Relax" "Breathe" notes you left for yourself.
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Now THAT writeup is just about a work of art! Respect for putting the effort into documenting this in such detail and making the whole procedure feel achievable, even to me!

Have one of these.
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Haha, just noticed the "Relax" "Breathe" notes you left for yourself.
Me too!

Thanks for a great write-up with excellent pics!! Very helpful and MUCH appreciated!!!
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You wouldn't happen to have any tips on how to reattach the airbox. I'm having a horrible time getting the rubber pieces to cover completely
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I don't have photos, but it is a pain. Start at the front and get the boots for the snorkel settled in. Then gently work the airbox into the throttle body boots. If any of them get folded over or misaligned, it's a problem. There isn't any magic to it, just patience and practice.
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