Triumphrat

yakoo11 · 09-08-2009, 11:04 PM

So... long story short, I low-sided about midway through turn 14 at thunderhill. I spun up the rear tire and walked the bike away from me. I am relatively unscathed (I bruised my coccyx) my leathers suffered no damage and my bikes plastics are well not so plastic anymore... all in all I lost the right clip on, and the right rearset. now I do have some damage to other parts such as... the stupid plastic part that goes inside the master cylinder that connects the reservoir to the master cylinder... of course that broke and I can't find it as a solo part on bike bandit even though it it a solo part so I might have to have a shop fab one up out of aluminum or something not worth $180. and I might have slightly bent a fork tube (right side inner tube (the shiny silver one)).

If anyone has any leads on these parts I would appreciate it...

I will be going with sharkskinz for the plastics and I might go aftermarket on the controls if I cant find cheap oem ones...

p.s. reason for the crash??? I was running 2:05 which is quite fast on a TT... Since this was my first time running these numbers consistently I overheated the tires and turned them into glass... (I was running the BT002R at 29.5psi...) I had to do a crash analysis with the lead Instructor of Pacific Track Time (Corey Call) and he came to this decision.... Time to upgrade to race tires if I am going to be running at those times...

You can watch Cory here....

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he's fast like #1 in the AFM fast....

and just to promo myself... You can see me dragging lowers here http://gotbluemilk.com/web090907/11/...es/image6.html

yakoo11 · 09-08-2009, 11:30 PM

Ok so I know I bent a fork... Im going to take it all in and have them checked and straightened... also...

what size are the clip ons I can get a free set of 41mm clipons? Will these fit?

ezride · 09-09-2009, 02:12 AM

[quote=yakoo11;1367185]Ok so I know I bent a fork... Im going to take it all in and have them checked and straightened... also...

Are you sure you bent a fork? Front pointed sort of crooked? The forks are pretty stout and I think it's more common to bend the axle. First try: loosen everything up and retighten to see if maybe something is just knocked askew. After that, have the axle checked. [It's a lot cheaper than a fork too.] Don't ask how I know this....

yakoo11 · 09-09-2009, 03:21 AM

ummm yeah, really thanks for the advice( I don't want to sound condescending).... fork is off the bike it has about a 2* kink in it... I don't understand how it happened because the front right fork was bent out forward of the bike and the left is fine.... regardless off to the shop to true them with the triples... I have a GREAT suspension guy that owes me a few 100 favors (thats what happens when he runs you over while on the track)... I didn't want to use my favors on this but... whatever

anyone know fork size?

Will · 09-09-2009, 12:59 PM

I don't remember the for size, but Woodcraft or Vortex clipons are the way to go on a track bike.

Agkistrodon · 09-09-2009, 07:36 PM

haha I remember that video. I saw it just after I made this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XTcLfhPUec Im glad we dont get fined here for that kinda stuff. i like to stoppy into the pits in endurance races.
edit to add: Im the novice that came from the second wave to 4th in turn one with the experts BTW

yakoo11 · 09-09-2009, 09:26 PM

I did a two-up ride with him and for lack of better words it was amazing... we went sideways through just about every turn and he wheelied down the entire front straight followed by a nice big endo going into 10...
the whole time I was like

pete2 · 09-10-2009, 04:01 PM

Good that you're not hurt.

By the pictures, I think you might also benefit from adjusting your riding position. Looks to me like you move your ass more than your head, which actually makes you sorta twist and makes steering harder.

Your shoulders are facing the ourside of the curve, when they should be facing the inside. When you move your head, the rest of the torso will follow, and that's the heaviest part available for weight transfer. Also, by moving the head, your shoulders turn the right way automatically. This makes riding feel more natural and easier and also gives you sort of an automated counter steer.

Your head should be below the bike's centerline, yours seems to be above in almost all the pictures. To give front tire more weight, you also should move your head down.

I also find the way you hold your arms high a bit curious. Okay, I admit, the TT's clip ons are somewhat... errr... difficult. I swapped mine to LSL and they're a lot better. (43mm btw!) When you ride, are your arms and shoulders relaxed? Try lowering your elbows when you enter a curve, and when you exit, see if your arms&shoulders are still relaxed. Relaxed arms = faster arm movement = faster steering. When you move your head & torso to the inside, you can rest the outside arm on the fuel tank.

In your example pic, try moving your head where your right shoulder is. Training/changing your riding position is difficult as it will feel weird at first. When practicing the positioning, you should ride at a speed where you don't need to concentrate on the riding, so try a little slower. This sounds silly, buy it works. Thy humming or singing while you ride. If you stop, you've had a situation needing your full concentration. Slow down a bit and try again. After a while it will all fall into place, and you'll wonder how you were able to ride in the position you used to. Then it's time to speed up to where you were before and beyond

yakoo11 · 09-12-2009, 05:56 PM

edit: oh yeah I suck at right turns too :edit

well... I know I have a lot to work on... At the last WSBK Miller race I got to talk to Ben Spies and we discussed all of my "problems" when I brought up my body position and showed him he told me to STFU and that bad body position doesn't make you slow lol... he actually said his body position is the worst out the amongst WSBK because he rides with his elbows up (like I do for some crazy reason, even on the gsxr 750 my elbows are high... I like to man handle the bike I was told)... but long story short

he recommend I take Rich Olivers Mystery Road Race school, which I have signed up for next month... supposedly the school is AMAZING... I can't wait...

Agkistrodon · 09-12-2009, 07:32 PM

ben is a hell of a nice guy but i bet he didnt share his secret with you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVCbMlXxNM Speed is not all about riding position. I have taken many schools and they all teach different riding positions with the same goal in mind. weight the inside peg on entry and mid corner, weight the outside on corner exit. I have found that after I learned them I subconsiously use different riding styles for different corners. I use the most efficent/effective/comfortable technique for the given corner. motorcycles are fun and learning to get better on them is a never ending process so take your time and it will all come together.