Triumphrat

djr · 08-16-2004

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I am disgusted at Triumph, I had to pay £32 to make both headlights work

the reason you only had one headlight working in the first place is that it is not road legal with both on.

PaulBerg · 08-16-2004

DJR is right. You can blame the Eurocrats for the silly single headlight rule.

The ECU leaning out the mixture is also to meet Euro IV emissions rules.

If you look at the Dynoject website, you can see there are sensor bypass kits for Honda and Yamaha. Its not just Triumph. A friend with a new VFR had to fit a Power Commander and an oxygen sensor bypass to get his bike to run smoothly under all conditions. The more the rules tighten, the more trouble the manufacturers will have to meet them and have every single new bike run as smoothly as it should.

Bring back carbs !
Paul

Timtiger · 08-16-2004

NO NO
Don't bring back carbs!!!!!!
Fuel injection has been used on diesels forever was used in German WW2 aircraft. They were more reliable and could fly higher. The carbed spitfires could not match this performance but spitfires shot down the Focke Wulfs anyway through the use of superior handling and a big engine with more power. And good pilots - how British!
Remember when fuel injection was unprogrammable and unreliable and if a fault developed it was unrepairable and you were stuck. Repair meant component replacement. I think we are in a phase were the systems are getting better, have limp home modes that work (most of the time) and are programmable.

I think the main issue is that very few motorcycle mechanics are good at diagnosing and programming EFI systems. My suggestion is to spend the effort to find one that is. Don't think that just beacuse a mechanic works for a Triumph dealer that he is factory trained and good. Its not true.

I have had all the Hinkley Tigers and the carbed model was very flawed and thirsty. The carbs sucked fuel and sucked generally. The 855 was better and the 955 is brilliant. It is sad to see a few riders with bad experiences.

Triumph make great bikes but they still suffer some flaws. The Triumph service and spare parts supply is hopeless. I don't like BWM bikes, but they are much much better at this side of their business. But also note the price Triumph charges for the bikes. In Australia they are $4,000 to $8,000 cheaper. What does the extra money you pay for a BMW get you? Better reliability (I don't think so), better engineering (no), better materials (no), better service and spare parts supply (YES). I had 2 BMWs and never had to wait more than a day for any part. Here in Melbourne the national importer and only Triumph dealer keeps NO PARTS IN STOCK AT ALL. They are housed at a seperate warehouse so at best you have to wait a day. I have had to wait for 4 to 6 weeks for handle bars, indicator lens, gear lever and most recently heated grips to come from the UK.

Let me be controversial.
I can walk into a shop and buy a new Tiger for the same price as a similar style and in my opinion a very inferior Japanese bike. Maybe the answer is that Triumph need to charge more for their bikes and invest in parts inventory, staff and mechanic training and service infrastructure. I love my bike and would definitely pay more for better service and spares.

So back to the topic. This fuel injection issue is simply a service issue. Triumph should have a system in place to record customer concerns, investigate the cause and FIX IT!!!
I know BMW do this well and Triumph could too.

955er · 08-17-2004

Hi Paul,
Actually there is a Triumph Oxygen sensor bypass part listed in the Dynojet catalog. You have to visit their US website:

http://www.powercommander.com/buynowacc.shtml

Part number : 76423006

Unfortunately you can only order on-line only from within US and Canada.
The Greek distributor will get me one in a few weeks though.
Hope it does the trick...

Cheers

Nondas

djr · 08-17-2004

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Maybe the answer is that Triumph need to charge more for their bikes and invest in parts inventory, staff and mechanic training and service infrastructure

I hate to disagree but I am going to anyway.

If triumph charge more they will not sell because they will then be more expensive than their mainstream counterparts. Second, within europe the does not seem to be a problem with getting parts. Most things can be here in Belgium within three to four days if its not a stock item. Hardly problematical. For you guys over the water then I would say Triumph Australia and USA need to keep a better inventory so that they do not need to send to the UK for parts all the time but with todays shipping this should not be a problem either. Maybe the problem is with the individual dealer!!

As to training, yes there are a lot of mechanics that could/should be better trained, but is this not the dealers responsibility to have the best trained staff?

Perhaps more people should complain direct to triumph about the poor service they are receiving, so that triumph know of the problems with particular dealers/importers.

08-17-2004

Well to get back closer to the original topic

I visited the local dealer after work last night and managed to swap the ECU with one from another 2002 Tiger

The new ECU ran much better, just sitting on tick over the bike sounded less harsh and when I test road it although it still has the fault it was a lot less intrusive.

So I am now waiting for a new ECU from Triumph once the ECU has been changed I will look at the oxygen sensor Mod
to smooth out the rest of the problem.

Timtiger · 08-17-2004

I ordered the oxygen sensor bypass and should get it tomorrow.

To PaulBerg, thanks for the advice on the O2 sensor bypass. Can you clarify the fitting for me. I assume you just fit it and go. Does the tuneing need any adjustment after the bypass it fitted??

I'll report on how it goes.
By the way, the local Oz Dynojet distributor has 10 units in stock! They must be expecting a lot of Triumph owners to be unhappy.

PaulBerg · 08-18-2004

Fitting the Dynojet O2 bypass:

You just trace the wiring (4 wires in a single sleeve) from the O2 sensor in the exhaust downpipe back to were it plugs into the wiring harness. This is on the left hand side under the tank. Unplug it and plug in the bypass.

All wiring harnesses are slightly different and you may need to lift the tank to get to it cleanly. I just got my Triumph dealer to fit it for me. The dealer was quite happy to do this as it got rid of a customer grumbling about rough running which they had been unable to solve.

Paul

PaulBerg · 08-18-2004

Oh and one more thing. As DJR keeps reminding me, this O2 bypass will not fix a fault.

If there is something wrong with your bike (throttle bodies not in sync, bad plug, dodgy injector, faulty ECU etc..), it will need fixing.

Paul

PAKA · 08-18-2004

can someone tell me for SURE installing this requires no remapping, tunes etc....?

It would be a good trouble shooting tool to eliminate problems and for the cost is very cheap.

Mine is running rough even the dealer admits. Still working on the solution. The mechanic is a great guy really knows his stuff and won't let this go..

Paul