Triumphrat

Danny500 · 07-03-2009

Quick rundown...

Bike was sitting for 8 years... just barely broken in... so I started taking things apart... here's where I'm at.

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HUGE nest in the air box... air filter destroyed: Removed all the debris, checked the throttle bodies to make sure everything was clear all the way down the intake, looked good...

PLASTIC fuel disconnect snapped off... can't get threads out. Guessing I'm going to go have to buy a tap and ream out the plastic while retaining the original threads... Where can I get metal disconnects? Triumph Dealer only?

RUST in the coolant... Took the cap and the heat sensor out and they're not only covered in rust, but the coolant itself is brown. Time for a change... 50/50 Mobile Antifreeze will be added, however should I flush the system with water and baking soda? Or simply just continue flushing with water until it runs clear? What's the best way to drain all the coolant?

TRIANGLE shaped gasket under the airbox came off in pieces... Looks like it goes around a Mass-Airflow sensor or EVAP valve.

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CURRENT SHOPPING LIST:

1.5 Quarts of Mobil Antifreeze 50/50 w/water for 3.0 Qts.

3 NGK DPR 8EA-9 spark plugs.

K&N Air filter

K&N Oil Filter KN-191.

5 quarts of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10w/40 oil.

2 metal quick releases.

1 Fuel filter.

1 Gasket for MAF, or EVAP (if that's what it is).

1 bottle of DOT4 brake fluid.

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That's all for now, but if you guys could suggest a proper way about going fixing said problems, let me know... especially the plastic threads.

Thanks!

miker · 07-03-2009

Danny, they're not problems, they're just small hurdles causing a failure to proceed.

You seem like you're being methodical, so keep on that track and you'll be fine.

Let's see some photos!

Mick

Danny500 · 07-03-2009

Well, she's in a million pieces at the moment... maybe some "in-the-shop" pics tomorrow.. lol.

PeteH · 07-03-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by miker

Danny, they're not problems, they're just small hurdles causing a failure to proceed.

Nicely put Miker

Danny, do a search for the fuel connection on here, or check out evils posts, as he`s had some problems with the same.
Also check out Tigertriple as there`s loads of info on that site also.

TucsonBill · 07-03-2009

These are what I just put on mine. Good price, great quality. Don't go to the dealer for these!

http://www.rideteamtriumph.com/tiger.htm
Part No. TTFKD-1
Telephone: (608) 741-9900

EvilBetty · 07-03-2009

Yuck... two super fun projects right off the bat.

First... drain your tank, and pull your fuel pump plate. Check the fuel hoses and gaskets.

Go buy your new air filter (STOCK filter IMO... I don't trust the K&N, but the oil filter should be fine), MAF gasket, Fuel filter (BMW one, same but cheaper), and any additional hoses and gaskets you might need, and then some metal fuel fittings... both male and female.
http://tigertriple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5670

Getting the threads out have been easy for some, hard for others. Some have been able to heat up a flat blade screw driver and let it melt in and grab a hold of the remains and twist it out. Others have had to dig it out piece by piece. It's a British Tapered Thread (BTT) so getting a tap to fit it would be tricky. Take your time and avoid damaging the threads. When your done, disconnect the fuel pump and filter hoses and blow out any debris you might have dropped in while cleaning the threads.

As for the cooling system, I'm not intimately familiar with the one on this bike yet. There are many posts about flushing, and the tricky job of burping all the air from it. You might call a dealer and see what their thoughts are running some time of back flush kit and flush additive through it.

Danny500 · 07-04-2009

I just ordered the chrome/brass fittings from QuickConnect for the 3/8ths hose, 1/4 hose, and the 2 female fittings. I followed the instructions here:

http://www.triumphrat.net/tiger-work...ittings-2.html

and here:

http://tigertriple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5670

In order to get out all the threads I had to use a curved dental-pick, and a dremel with a sanding barrel on it to thin it down to just the tips of the threads. Then I just chased the threads with the pick and was able to peel it out in about 10 chunks. Took about a half-hour.

So, what I've ordered:

New Fuel Fittings
New MAF gasket
K&N Air Filter
K&N Oil Filter
Fuel Filter
Spark Plugs
Random nuts and bolts that are rusted out.

Should be here in a week or so.

As for the radiator flush I think there's a plug on the top right of the radiator to prevent an air bubble. I'll have to double check. That, and I'll need to see if there's a drain on the water jacket on the cylinders anywhere.

The stuff that came out was GOD AWFUL, dirty brown, took 4 runs of water to get it to run out clear, but then again this is on a bike that's sitting... I'll have to wait to get her running before I can do a flush or anything.

I think what I'm going to do is buy a cheap 50/50 antifreeze with anti-corrosives in it and just run it for a little then drain it out. I'll do it a couple times to ensure all the bad goop that was in there is gone... then I'll just put in some Mobil Antifreeze or a comparable motorcycle coolant and run it.

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1 more question... (Do you guys love me or what!)

When re-installing the new metal quick-connects should I run a drop of red loc-tite on them? The plastic ones that came out seemed to have it... also, on the coil packs there were remnants of a red thread lock. Yes?

EvilBetty · 07-04-2009

I've run across nothing that requires loctite on this bike.

As for the fuel fittings, against my better judgment I ended up using silicone thread tape (white). I used Three Bond the first two times I installed them, but I wasn't getting them in tight enough, and on the third attempt I was tired of cleaning the threads on each attempt, but they don't leak

In best practice you would want to use something designed for use around gasoline, which the tape is not. Most seem to have had the best success with some blue compound that was about $20 for 5oz... the name has completely escaped me at the moment.

Danny500 · 07-04-2009

The only thing I've found at local parts shops that actually say they're safe to use around gasoline are compounds used to patch gas tanks.

Why have you had to take yours apart so many times?!?!

EvilBetty · 07-04-2009

My plastic fuel fittings were fine, but when I was doing my 24k maintenance I had everything else apart, so I figured I better replace them before they became an issue.

The plastic fitting was designed to be wrenched down all the way, and the plastic would stretch and compress inside the female BTT threads. Putting a metal male thread in there takes a little finess so you don't distroy the inlet.

The first time I installed them, I used ThreeBond 1194 to seal it up. Very soon I realized I had a leak. I tore it all apart, cleaned all the ThreeBond back out again, got a replacement female fitting from QuickCouplings (though it was the cause) and reinstalled them. Leaked again. This time I was right up against a deadline to get the bike running, so I used white Teflon tape and wrenched the fittings down about a half turn more. No more leak.

I'm sure it the extra turn of the wrench that fixed it, and I really wish I had used a proper sealant.

Some to look for.

Permatex
Some Auto Parts stores may have this one.
http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut...ad_Sealant.htm

ThreeBond 1194
Most bike shops should have this, or one of it's cousins (YamaBond, HondaBond)
http://www.threebond.com/LGasket.html

Hylomar
This is the one I couldn't remember last night. It's pricey but apparently very very good.
http://www.hylomar-usa.com/