Triumphrat

Mudhen · 11-06-2007

675 Tiger Cub specs leaked:

• Compact, lightweight concept
• New chassis with steel tube trellis frame and double sided swingarm
• Powerful, tune for torque triple (675cc with 85hp and 83 lb/ft of torque)
• Dry sump lubrication
• Dual sport specific running gear
• Lowered seat height due to narrow design and varying seat heights
• Switchable ABS
• Chain drive
• Telescopic USD 45mm fork
• Wide range of accessories for both off road and touring use

Engine
Capacity cm3 675
Bore/lift mm 82/75,6
Power kW/HP 63/85
at engine speed min-1 7 500
Torque Nm 83
at engine speed min-1 5 750
No. of cylinders 3
Compression/fuel :1 12.0/Super unleaded (95 RON)
Valve/gas control dohc (double overhead camshaft)
Valves per cylinder 4
Diam. inlet/outlet mm 32/27,5
Throttle valve diameter mm 46
Mixture preparation

Electrical system
Generator W 400
Battery V/Ah 14-Dec
Headlights/rear light W
Starter kW 0.9

Power transmission/gears
Clutch
Gears
Primary transmission 01:01.9
Transmission, gear stages I 01:02.5
II 01:01.8
III 01:01.4
IV 01:01.2
V 01:01.0
VI 01:01.0
Rear wheel drive
Transmission ratio 1:2.625 (16/42)

Chassis
Frame design
Wheel suspension, front wheel Upside-down telescopic fork,
fixed tube Ø 45 mm
Wheel suspension, rear wheel
Spring travel front/rear mm 230/215
Castor mm 117
Wheel spacing mm 1578
Steering head angle ° 64
Brakes front Double-disc brake Ø 300 mm
rear Single-disc brake Ø 265 mm
Wheels Spoked wheels with aluminium rims
front 2.15x21
rear 4.25x17
Tyres front 90/90-21 54 V
rear 150/70-R17 69 V

Dimensions and weights
Total length mm 2 320
Total width with mirrors mm
Total width without mirrors mm 870
Seat height inches 33.5-34.6
Dry weight lbs 392
DIN tare, ready to drive lbs 455
Perm. total weight lbs 975
Tank capacity gallons 4.2
Travel data
Fuel consumption (MPG) At 56 mph 62 mpg
At 74 mph 45 mpg

MSRP $10,520

Standard Equipment / 100% Options
Closed loop 3 way catalytic converter with oxygen sensor
Chain drive
Complete stainless steel exhaust system
Hydraulic rear spring preload adjuster
Spoked wheels
Electronic immobilizer
Single wire system (Can-Bus)
Power Socket
Adjustable brake and clutch levers

Available Equipment
Comfort Package $475
ABS $890
Clear Turn Signal Lenses $60
Anti Theft Alarm $235
Center Stand $150
Low Seat $0

Available Colors
Dark Magnesium Metallic
Sunset Yellow

Sound good to any of you guys? Sounds like the stuff dreams are made of to me...

eldiii · 11-06-2007

Pictures, line drawings????? I'm not from Missouri...but "Show me".

21" Front Wheel = good

Over 10 Grand for a 675 = bad

eldiii

scratch · 11-06-2007

Sounds pretty good overall, but let's hope for a little more fuel capacity and maybe a little less weight in the production model. The 21" front wheel might turn into 19" at some point too. Torque Nm 83 converts to @ 61 ft. lbs. The 85 hp figure is probably measured at the crank, so knock off 10% for driveline losses and it would be somewhere around 77 hp at the rear wheel. Still plenty for a mid-size adventure touring bike and significantly more than the Wee-strom or Versys. It'll be interesting to see how it compares with the new BMW F800GS.

Mudhen · 11-06-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by scratch

It'll be interesting to see how it compares with the new BMW F800GS.

Probably pretty darn close, since it is the F800...I just changed the number of cylinders.

But why can't Triumph make a 675 Tiger to compete with this thing?!?!? The specs (other than the tank size) sound absolutely incredible, and I love the looks. Do they think BMW won't sell enough of these to make it worth it? Hmmm....which company sells more bikes and who should be following who? At least a little...

Aussiebikerdave · 11-06-2007

Mudhen, As I read through your spec list two thoughts kept cropping up. 1. These specs are brilliant... Triumph have obviously done their homework. Then I read a little further, noted the weight, suspension travel and wheel size, excellent. Fuel capacity, ok, Then when I got down to the fuel consumption formatting, the electrical systems and colour combo's the whole plot started to smell. 2. You know, over the last two days I had scoured the net for the F800GS's specs without success yet I knew as I was reading this stuff that I had just found them! Where did you find them?

As you may know, we run a m/c rental biz so I ordered two (one of each colour) when I first saw the pics a couple of days ago. IMO these bikes will be hugely popular. I think BMW have altered the bar to a height that only a company like Triumph with a similar spec 675 will be able to reach. I dare say that the Triumph R&D dept will be looking closely at the F800GS which may result in a delayed release of the anticipated Tiger Cub as they scurry to make changes in the light of the new Beema. Grizzly

http://www.aussiebiker.com.au

scratch · 11-06-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudhen

Probably pretty darn close, since it is the F800...I just changed the number of cylinders...

Hey, don't taunt us like that! I thought it was a little odd that they spec'ed a steel trellis frame.

You're right though; Triumph could clean up with a properly designed 675 Tiger. Their current triples seem to out-torque similar displacement twins, and might be ideally suited to just this sort of application. One can only hope...

Mudhen · 11-07-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussiebikerdave

Mudhen, As I read through your spec list two thoughts kept cropping up. 1. These specs are brilliant... Triumph have obviously done their homework. Then I read a little further, noted the weight, suspension travel and wheel size, excellent. Fuel capacity, ok, Then when I got down to the fuel consumption formatting, the electrical systems and colour combo's the whole plot started to smell. 2. You know, over the last two days I had scoured the net for the F800GS's specs without success yet I knew as I was reading this stuff that I had just found them! Where did you find them?

As you may know, we run a m/c rental biz so I ordered two (one of each colour) when I first saw the pics a couple of days ago. IMO these bikes will be hugely popular. I think BMW have altered the bar to a height that only a company like Triumph with a similar spec 675 will be able to reach. I dare say that the Triumph R&D dept will be looking closely at the F800GS which may result in a delayed release of the anticipated Tiger Cub as they scurry to make changes in the light of the new Beema. Grizzly

http://www.aussiebiker.com.au

Yesterday I finally wandered into the F800GS thread on advrider. It was started 10/11/2005 and has about 130 pages of speculative threads on the bike....and now about 10 with real info. 294,000 thread views, 2,088 replies. I've been ignoring it because I'm so anti-beemer right now, but a buddy sent me a pic the other day and it got me curious.

The specs got me giddy. It just seems like someone has finally got it right (for what I want). As the street-only crowd will tell us, nobody buys these bikes and it isn't worth a company building them. Of course, BMW seems to always be thinking dirt and they're not really going out of business. The 450x, 650x, big GSs, and now medium GSs...oh, and that little purchase of Husky they made.

The bmw-motorrad site for it:
http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/i...ex.html&id=132

I hope you're right about Triumph R&D looking at it, but I just don't see them giving a ****e. Hopefully I'm wrong...and maybe I'll trade the F800 for it when it comes out...(because if this is as good as it is on paper, it will be replacing the Scrambler AND my Steamer). Can't wait.

Aussiebikerdave · 11-07-2007

Mudhen, I too went onto Advrider yesterday and noted the 130+ pages of speculative BS concerning the F800GS however that only underscores how this bike will impact the market into the future! I can see how this bike might easily replace your 96 Tiger and the new Scrambler (which is a bike that I can't quite get my head around) however I would still need another tool in my personal fleet. The combo of a yellow F800GS for the dirt and outback touring plus a lime green Street Triple for the twisties sounds like a plan to me!

The image of Christoph del Bondio jumping the R1200GS off sand dunes in the original R1200GS brochure must have fired the imaginations of every old BMW fart right across the world because BMW have sold absolute ship loads of 'em... but has anybody else ever tried riding the R1200GS in deep sand? I would venture to guess that only those that fall into the top 5% in the catagory of rider skill will be able to emulate Christoph's feats and then, even those guys, if they're honest, will admit that it's dam hard work. Even on a KTM 950, soft sand is not exactly a walk in the park.

Enter the F800GS. Significantly lighter than both with the added advantage that the fuel weight is carried lower and reaward on the bike compared to conventional designs. So long as this bike has sufficient bottom end and mid range grunt to cope with power sapping sand and mud, it should be a pearler. I would expect that in a transport mode on the highway this bike will display the same sweetness and lack of vibration that the road variants possess which is something you could never accuse the F650GS singles of doing! The way I see it, owning a F800GS might be like having your cake and eating it too!

Can't wait to see if this is true! Grizzly

scratch · 11-07-2007

BTW, isn't it kind of ironic that BMW gave up the two features that it's most closely identified with - the air cooled flat twin motor and shaft final drive - in their effort to build a better GS? Kudos to them for thinking outside of their box(er).

jimmydean · 11-07-2007

so where did these specs come from? It looks to me like someone took the new 800GS specs and changed a few things to make it read like it was for the Cub(eg. trelis frame, same colors,....)