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Old 08-11-2006   #1 (permalink)
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Just picked the new Tiger up at last.

I never noticed until I got it home that there is no "on/off" switch for the lights. It seems that all Triumphs are now coming with the lights wired permanatley on.

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Yup. Thats the EU for you. I think it is some daft Europe wide regulation thing. Real pain in the Posterior. Been like that for about 2 years or so, just got to live with it or fit a switch yourself. I think the wiring will be there just the switch will be missing as I think all of the current Tiger looms will have be made "standard." On newer models whose looms will have been designed without switches will be a different story. one of these days I will get time to find out.

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Not only has this stupid EU rule (no doubt by unelected Eurocrats) meant that we cannot decide for ourselves whether conditions require lighting but there is the other stupid rule that twin headlight machines must work as single headlight machines.

I was advised that this is because drivers pull out and T-bone bikes with twin headlights under the mistaken belief that they are a car, only much further away. In reality, using this logic, bikes still look like a car with a dodgy headlight, only further away. This is because the parking light on the other headlight remains on and how many times have we seen cars driving along with a misaligned or blown dipped beam on one side?

Needless to say I have rectified this on my own machine by fitting the relays. I would not be suprised if this is illegal.

The 'lights on all the time' bit is not such an issue for me, although I would like to fit a switch if it's a simple job. The benefits of switching off the lights? I can think of a few....easier starting with a low battery...reducing battery discharge and localised heat when fixing problems which require constant re-starting......reducing light pollution when warming up the bike (some of my neighbours have full depth front windows)......preventing 'flashing on' to oncoming or side-road traffic when approaching junctions over a bumpy road.

Is it any suprise that many Brits think the the EU beaurocrats and it's unelected gravy train can go and hang themselves!

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On 2006-08-11 07:29, Jonny955 wrote:

I would not be suprised if this is illegal.
Don't worry, it's not.

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The benefits of switching off the lights?
Safety?
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The lights have been on since before '03 in the States. My 1999 has them on all the time, as did a 1986 Honda from my past. Not only that, but on the Tiger we have BOTH on ALL the time! If you get headlight bulbs from a firefighting equipment company - the 150W/100W are the best! - you can mess up the hair of the guy in the car in front of you when you hit that little passing trigger! When you switch to hi beam, the bike doesn't slow down too much.
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On 2006-08-11 07:29, Jonny955 wrote:
Not only has this stupid EU rule (no doubt by unelected Eurocrats) meant that we cannot decide for ourselves whether conditions require lighting but there is the other stupid rule that twin headlight machines must work as single headlight machines.

I was advised that this is because drivers pull out and T-bone bikes with twin headlights under the mistaken belief that they are a car, only much further away. In reality, using this logic, bikes still look like a car with a dodgy headlight, only further away. This is because the parking light on the other headlight remains on and how many times have we seen cars driving along with a misaligned or blown dipped beam on one side?

Needless to say I have rectified this on my own machine by fitting the relays. I would not be suprised if this is illegal.

The 'lights on all the time' bit is not such an issue for me, although I would like to fit a switch if it's a simple job. The benefits of switching off the lights? I can think of a few....easier starting with a low battery...reducing battery discharge and localised heat when fixing problems which require constant re-starting......reducing light pollution when warming up the bike (some of my neighbours have full depth front windows)......preventing 'flashing on' to oncoming or side-road traffic when approaching junctions over a bumpy road.

Is it any suprise that many Brits think the the EU beaurocrats and it's unelected gravy train can go and hang themselves!

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Jon,
As an ex Tiger owner I read the Tiger forum once in a while.
The rule that only one of a set of double headlights is allowed to work was abandoned a couple of years ago.
That still not every manufacturer is using both headlights at the same time, can hardly be seen as the fault of the EU. There is a relay in the electric circuit of your Triumph that cuts out the headlights as soon as you press the starter button, so starting is not influenced by the permanent headlight set-up.
And by the way, the directive on technical requirements for motor vehicles such as ours was approved and voted on positively by all Ministers of Transportation/Traffic of the EU, including the British. Elected politicians do like to hide this as they don't want to give up the opportunity to blame the EU for anything that the general public doesn't like.
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And by the way, the directive on technical requirements for motor vehicles such as ours was approved and voted on positively by all Ministers of Transportation/Traffic of the EU, including the British.
BUT..the idea came from some tw@t (who probably calls himself an "expert") within the Brussels gravy train. And was, most likely, included within a much bigger document of (interfering) regulations. Much like the forthcoming licence directive where the motorcycling bit HAS to be voted on alongside all the other motoring stuff.

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Hi Bel
You can proberly fit the switch of an early modle.My frien has done so on a Speed Triple.The conectors shoud be all the same.
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Why are everybody so negative about having headlights on during daytime ?
It's not a wquestion about somebody believing we don't know how toi turn on the headlights.....
It's a safety feature !!!
We have had this law in Sweden since 1974 and it has decreased the amount of accidents a lot !
I personally react immediately negatively when I see a car driving without headlights turned on.....
It's a big difference in "detection" distance between a vehicle driving without headlights and one with the headlights on.
Turn headlight on and drive safely ..

PS: Got my motorcycle drivers license 10 days ago ,picked up my new Tiger the day after and have already driven 1480 Km in 9 days.
I love the Tiger , was afraid of it when I picked it up (The size of the bike is much larger than the one we used in driving school) but after driving 150 meter I had a big smile in my face... It's so easy to handle :-D
Yes I bought the Tiger without even having made a test ride ...

I believed in you all guys talking sweetly about the Tiger ...

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