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Old 06-18-2006   #1 (permalink)
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As those of you who have been on the forum a long time know. I had a Lemon of a Tiger, most definitely not representative of the fine motorcycle. After many hours of working on it instead of riding, I decided to buy a new bike. I waited until there was enough information about the 07 Tiger before making my descision. It was moving in the wrong direction for me so I had to jump ship.

Last week I bought an 06 R12GS Adventure. I thought I'd give it a write up for those of you who are curious.

NEGATIVES:
(I'll start here as that is what most of you will be looking for )

Seat Comfort:
The germans can build mechanical items perfectly, but making them comfortable is another story. The seat is closer to a midevil tourture device than than it is to being something usable. This will be my first modification. My miles will be drastically limited until I can get this replaced. My butt hurts just thinking about it...

Vibration:
Being that it is a large dispalcement twin, there is definitely larger vibrations that the Tiger. They are not harsh, but definitely distracting to any Tiger pilot. Most notable is the side to side vibration when sitting still or coming to the last few feet of a stop. It's a bit unerving at first. I will say that the more miles I put on it, the less I notice it.

Ergonomics:
The seating area is more cramped that the tiger, especially riding two up. I have made modifications to my tiger (Corbin saddle & Bar risers.) to make it more to my liking. I am also a big fan of Freeway pegs to give me an alternate place to put my feet when on long highway sections. The BMW does not accomodate them as well as it is incredibly wide in the fornt end. I was able to mount pegs on the included engine guards, but it is noticably wider and less comfortable.
All things concidered I would like to sit half way between the rider and passenger seats in order to be the most comfortable. (I'm 6'1" tall)

User Servicability:
I feel myself to be a very competant mechanic and do not have any trouble performing any maintenace or repairs on the Tiger. To say I would be intimidated to work on the BMW would be an understatement. I will definitely be taking this to the dealer for repairs. The electronics on this bike are as complicated as the space shuttle. (Hopefully more reliable)

Tele-leaver Front end:
Not as stable when cornering. The tiger is definitely more fun in the twisties.

Price:
I could have bought two Tigers for what I paid for this beast. That is not an exaggeration. When properly equipped, (ABS, computer, fog lights, luggage) the cost is over 20K USD. A Tiger can be had for 10K.

POSITIVES:

Wind Protection:
My biggest complaint about the tiger has always been the buffeting. I have tried four different wind screens, homade braces, lips, edging, etc. and have never come close to the calm I find behind the Adventures windscreen. It is sheer bliss to be able to ride without the feeling that I have a tribe of Natives banging out a drum solo on my helmet. I almost wept at the calm and peace. The body fairing and cylinders also provide protection for legs and feet when rinding. Last evening I rode through a terrible section of rode that was innundated with flying insects. At the end of the ride, the bike was covered and I did not have one on me.

Seat hight/adjustibility:
The seat is easily adjustable for not only highth, but for and aft camber. I quickly was able to set the seat for my leg height and was still able to safely touch the ground. On the tiger, I'm on my tip toes and have dropped it twice due to stopping on uneven ground. I feel more confident standing over the GS.

Power:
The power band on the GS is incredible. The 1200 engine runs like a tractor would if it were made by Porsche. It has incredible low end torque and just continues throughout the powerband. No dead spots, no hiccupts in the fuel map, no missing at certain RPM's, Nothing but usable power any place you put the throttle. (Take not on this point Triumph)

Instrament Console:
Readible in any light conditions. The tigers console is blinding at night and light are invisible in sunlight. None of that on the GS. Everything is readable at all times and well laid out. The computer is brilliant. It's wonderfuil to know your Milage and range at a glance as well as all the other features the computer has to offer.

Preload adjustment:
No more taking off the seat and fiddling with tools when I want to take my wife to the store on my bike. A few twists of the pre-load knob and off we go. Easy peasy.

Tele-leaver Front end:
No brake dive! The awsome braking power of the ABS is completely tamed by the GS's from suspension. It's quite amasing actually.

Range:
With an 8+ US gallon tank you can easily range 400 miles on one tank if you are frugal with the throttle use. I'm averageing 40 MPG during break in, I imagine it will go up when as the engine loosens up.

Wheels:
Tubless parimiter Spoked wheels are rock solid. I have ridden motocross bikes that had more frgile wheels than these. A very nice upgrade.

No Chain to Adjust:
The single sided shaft driven rear end does not require any service and makes changing a real wheel as easy as can be.

Fit and Finish:
The german definitly know how to build mechanical devices. When I stand back and study the machine, I'm desitinctly aware for how well everything fits together. At first glance, nothing looks out of place. All seams are small and uniform. Most notible is that you are not forced to see how the bike is put together. It's very clean.

OVER ALL THOUGHTS:

You get what you pay for. For the price, nothing beats the tiger as the perfect commuter bike. It's adgile, fun to ride and can give almost any sport bike a run for it's money. But on the negative side, it is quirky (fuel mapping) and requires more maintenace, and most of all it has an atrocious lack of wind protection (Terible head buffeting). I will have to ride the new Adventure for 10K miles before I make a final determination, but for now, I'm as happy as can be.

Every where I would go, people would always mistake the tiger for a BMW (obviously not othercyclist, but the average non rider). I always would correct them, not any more.

Ed

p.s. If you have any questions, just ask. I'd be happy to compare the two bikes. I can also post pics of them side by side. It's insteresting to not how similar the setup is.

[ This message was edited by: Hayduke on 2006-06-18 13:23 ]
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Nice thorough review. This forum is great for unbiased advice.
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Thanks for the comparison. Other than cost I still prefer the Tiger for 2 main reasons.

'The 1200 engine runs like a tractor ' to me it also feels like a Tractor. It is always difficult to define the difference between 'Character' and 'Vibration'. I go with the former.

Any 4 Stoke that uses more oil than my old 2 Stroke Suzuki GT500 has to be suspect. On long trips I top up my chain oiler every 4 days, companions on Beamers top up their sump every day! Seems like dubious engineering to me.

I wish you many miles of trouble free motoring.
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How i smile!!! as an owner of a BM1100s for the last 6 years you can scrub the maintenance free shaft drive,by the time you've got 30,000 on it,just putting chain and sprockets on,and carrying on as normal will just be a pipe dream,welcome to the world of BM's dude!!! their no better or worse,just different!!!.

Just as a foot note, changeing the gearing on my Tiger cost all of ten pounds($14) for a front engine sprocket,doing the same for my Beemer and mean't trawling the world for a dif!!! literally!!,and 30x's the cost!!

Not forgetting the oil you'll have to keep putting in it!!

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Nice to read a well-balanced review.

I was well into the idea of buying a GS until I spoke to a Tiger-owning mate of mine. ended up being swayed to try a Steamer for a year and loved it.

In May this year I decided to consolidate my bikes into one newer bike to do 'everything' and I was still keen on a GS or R1100S. Despite being met with Neaderthal man at the BMW dealer, I went for a test ride on the S and expected it to be the bike of my dreams.

Every single bike I have taken out for a spin, including 125s and agrigultural MZs, has brought me back with a Cheshire Cat grin. Basically, I love riding bikes, enjoying their character and accepting their intended purpos regardless of their market. For this reason I was utterly deflated when I brought back the BM from a 45 minute blast and was NOT smiling. I really wanted to enjoy it but it failed to live up to my expectations.

Why? Well, I was lucky enough to have wet and dry plus fast and slow riding conditions on my test ride. Riding at medium to high speed, the S was great (took her up to 140mph - on a private road of course) but on slow speed roundabouts the drive was very snatchy and the handling a bit choppy....mainly when on & off the throttle which is usual for busy town work - and it ruined it for me. I also felt that the lock-up point when hard braking on the front was difficult to judge which made the bike feel a little remote., These are probably characteristicts which BMW owners would say I'd get used to in time but I have had shaft drive/injected twin bikes in the past and they've not been this bad. In other respects the bike was very comfortable, confidence-inspiring, well finished and good-looking.

Although the S is a different bike from the GS (which I have also ridden) I can't see how the character of the engine and chassis under these conditions would be that different. The dealer suggested I took it out for a longer ride (which I was very keen to do as I wanted to like the bike) but he never bothered to get in touch again..

You may have worked out by now that I ended up with an 06 Tiger instead, after never having test ridden one!....but I loved my steamer so I knew it would be good.

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Watch those servo brakes..thats why I gave up BMW's for the Tiger after 20 yearson the German bikes. I have had servo failure on both my 2002 RT and my 2004 KGT. Not common, but BMW issued a recall for the servo's and is designing a new brake system for late 07.

Wait till you have to get the brake system serviced....your in for a hefty bill. I'd wait for a while before I'd compare the cost of maintaining your BMW. My dealer sells both and talking with the service manager and the mechs...the Triumphs are less expensive to maintain. Another tip for the shaft drive....change your final drive fluid with EACH oil change. This will extend the life of your final drive. They tend to start to fail around the 30k mile mark.

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Heyduke!

Congratulations!

The R12' seems like a great bike!

Wish you all the best!

Really, hope you do let us know how it goes.

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Thanks for the great reply's and words of caution and encouragement. I will be making milestone updates. I'll do the next report when I hit the first service at 600 miles. I've been switching back and forth between the BMW and the Tiger, and I hate to admit it, especially since I have just spent so much money on the Adventure, but Tiger is just more fun to ride. I'm hoping as the miles tick off I will get more accustomed to the BMW and will enjoy it more, but for now, I'd still reccomend the Tiger over the GS. I base this on price and enjoyability. If I could make the air as clean and still as it is behind the GS screen, It would be the perfect machine for general riding.

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There are about 4000 06 r1200gs out there with a bad main bearing. I am told if you have no trouble in the first 1000 miles the engine will be OK.
My friend was stranded in west TX by this bearing failure.
A rebuild is 3000 bucks but BMW are picking up the bill and back charging the bearing manufacturer.
I do agree the Tiger is too tall for most of us guys under 6 foot.
I am waiting for the new model. Hopefully it will have an adjustable seat like the BMW.
I agree with the bufeting comment too. Hope the fixed that as well.

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I've been switching between my my S and my Tiger for the last 5 years!!!
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