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08-05-2011, 05:19 PM
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Charcoal Canister Removal (North American bikes)
I have a question for Mac. Since this is my first EFI bike, I do not know if removing the evap charcoal canister would adversely affect the ECU. Can you give me any guidance in this? Are there any special tricks to the removal?
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08-05-2011, 11:54 PM
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No, there are no adverse effects to removing the CC. I just removed mine off my S3. Get 4 end plugs, reuse the clips from the hoses and Bob's uruncle!  The one lead you have to unplug can just be tied up and left. No engine light.
I can't see this being too terribly different between yrs and range. The CC serves the exact same purpose.
Good luck!
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08-06-2011, 01:51 AM
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No it does not hurt anything. In fact most Street Triples shipped without them until the new 2012 models. The Street Triples that came without are identical in every way as the ones that came with them except the didn't have the canister.
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08-06-2011, 08:07 AM
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Thank you very much Mark and Mac. I appreciate the replies. That is my project for this morning. I will keep the canister - just in case I need to install it again.
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08-06-2011, 09:11 PM
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I'm considering doing this as well. I have a question. Is there a vacuum line involved that needs to be plugged? I know that's how the BMW's work. Anything else I need to know?
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alan.
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08-06-2011, 09:40 PM
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I haven't traced it all out yet; but I am sure there is a vacuum line. These systems are all basically the same.
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08-07-2011, 12:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adsinger
I'm considering doing this as well. I have a question. Is there a vacuum line involved that needs to be plugged? I know that's how the BMW's work. Anything else I need to know?
Thanks.
alan.
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Yes there is but you don't need to plug it! It use to run from your tank to the canister. Now you need to run it to the ground, like your other lines. If it is the one I am thinking then it comes from the tank, yeah? When eliminating this line on my S3 I also got rid of the little back-flow canister that was attached to the line.
Last edited by mnhoulden; 08-07-2011 at 12:10 AM.
Reason: human error
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08-07-2011, 12:48 PM
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What is the benefit to removing the CC?
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08-07-2011, 05:34 PM
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It is in the way of mounting some third part sump guards and center stands. One person reported that it sucked in water when fording and caused the bike to stall.
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08-07-2011, 08:43 PM
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I suspect you are going to need to keep the tank to canister hose open. Unless the gas cap is non sealing. If the gas cap is sealing, which I expect it is, you need to have some vent to keep pressure from building up in the tank when its hot and sitting in the sun and to keep vacuum from builing up in the tank when you are using up the volume of gas.
Also I have no idea if the Tiger's diagnostics are the same but some car diagnostics have a valve that determines when and where canister fumes are pulled from the canister (especially on turbo cars) and when the canister is removed eventually it will throw a check engine code. It is usually a very long diagnostic period like 500 miles before it shows up.
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