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Tiger 1050 - Mods & Workshop Workshop and technical talk for the 1050 Tiger

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post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-06-2017, 04:41 AM
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http://www.thepipercrossshop.co.uk/i...ch=Part+Number

This is the Piper that fits my 2007-9 Tiger 1050. It is oiled! It has a lifetime warranty. It is guaranteed to reduce air flow resistance. It is guaranteed to produce more power and that follows if it is less restrictive. Note that it is a "MULTI DENSITY" foam. You clean this with gasoline then detergent and pressure wash. Install it on the bike and possibly start the engine for a minute to expedite the drying time.

Hold the Piper up to a light and note that there are no holes. The K&N uses gauze soaked in oil as the filter element. Piper used a multi density foam sheet trapped between two screens. K&N use the gauze trapped between two corrugated sheets of screen.
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http://www.thepipercrossshop.co.uk/info-motorcycle

This is the parent Piper Cross site.

Notre that is far cheaper than the K&N but that proves nothing.
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Thanks for the info Johned.

Couple of questions on the Piper Cross:
1. Do they come ready to install, or do you need to oil before 1st use?
2. How long for normal highway riding and relatively clean condition do they last before needing to be cleaned (roughly?)
3. Anyone know how often our normal Triumph paper filters are replaced by Triumph?

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I don't recall if either my PC filter or the K&N came oiled but I am certain it either was oiled or was packed with oil. BY THE WAY: the filter oil is certainly not common engine oil.

My anecdotes about riding in horrid desert dust conditions should give you an idea. But that foam was a full inch thick and had vertical sides and absorbed a lot of oil to continue to do their job after the first layer of caked dust fell away. You will never see these conditions short of Africa but it gives an idea of how well oiled foam performs.

AHHHHHH! The how often question is well placed and made. You cannot tell because as a filter gets dirty it becomes restrictive and that restrictiveness is measured in ultra sensitive vacuum meters. HVAC guys use them and they are very expensive. Short of letting it get so dirty you notice the power drop off at intermediate engine speeds you won't have a clue. The manual calls for replacing paper element every 12 thousand miles. It all depends on where you are and how clean the air is. The foam filter will display the dirt piled up on it's surface because the oil traps it. The paper will let a lot of the dirt blow away and after cleaning the paper is restrictive from age and wet and dry cycles. I replace my paper elements on vehicles yearly but that is because I can afford to do that. On my cars with a foam filter I cleaned and oilied when I could see a lot of dirt accumulated after 12,000 miles.

Find and read up on a device called "Filter MINDER". Never worry about knowing when it is time and the minder will tell if the filter is working at WOT at red line. I found Brand New paper that failed to flow enough air at WOT but seemed perfect otherwise and the performance seemed fine. FM told me i was pulling a vacuum in my intake manifold and we all know that is perfectly a NO-NO. The FM will let you stretch the life of a paper element as far as it will go and alert you when "change time" has happened. FM only needs a single small vac hose to connect it to the internal air box.

Gives all the info

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gives all the info.
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Thanks for the info Johned.

Purchased a Piper Cross filter, and associated cleaning / oiling kit.
Will work on every 20,000 kms for starters and go from there.

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You can't be disappointed, Aussie. Just can't.

Be careful about the oil. Some of it must be veggie oil and that stuff will dry and harden. Hard it doesn't actually trap dirt and it can become very restrictive when spread over the foam element. Use only oil recommended by Piper and DON"T USE K&N as I know it hardens. At least it did. After two years and 20 + K miles my Piper is looking pretty clean and leaves an oil film on my finger when I handle the filter. Pretty clean around here with no industry and strict air pollution regulations. College town of Eugene in the progressive state of ORYGUN.

Nice talking with you.

PS: Anybody out there know of recent improvements to the K&N I hope you will share.
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Picture of a 2016 Tiger Sports airbox. I can't take the credit for it - it's from another member, but I'm sure he won't mind it being posted for all to see inside.
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I have a practical "experiment" for any Piper users: Before installing the filter, put a small smear of grease of filter oil on the bottom of the "filtered side" of the chamber near the FI inlets. When you next open the box take some of the oil/grease on your finger and test for the gritty feel of dirt. In diesels they run a clean white cloth inside the inlet air pipe, down stream from the filter. It is supposed to come out "clean and white". We did this to our bikes every time we cleaned the oiled foam filter element to verify the element had no holes or tears and was installed right. Confidence!
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