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Old 10-31-2012, 05:31 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Out of curiosity have a look at the date stamp on the tire just to see how fresh the tires are??
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Out of curiosity have a look at the date stamp on the tire just to see how fresh the tires are??
I'll look when I get back in town. However, I'd be very surprised if these aren't "fresh". AMT is a Metzeler distributor, meaning two things to me:
  1. it will be hard for anybody to beat their "all in" price
  2. it is highly unlikely you won't get a "fresh" Metzeler tire. Since dealers buy from distributors, the turn over is usually very high

What's an old tire anyway? I don't know how long the ME880 has been around, but I think it's a relatively new design Regarding "Service Life", read the following:

http://us.coopertire.com/Tire-Safety...vice-Life.aspx

Personally, I wouldn't use a tire over three years old, but getting a tire even this old from a distributor is probably damn near impossible. I'm sure the engineers at tire companies know more about the subject than I do, but 3 years is my personal preference. In the case of the ME880, I don't think the design is even this old.
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:38 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I got a old tire that came on my speedmaster right from triumph with a sidewall that cracked badly within about 6 months. Then i got another when that was gone that did the same, that one from AMT which is where i got all mine. But i doubt it has anything to do with them. They probably buy from a distributor so any retailer could get old tires. Mine came with a marathon by the way, so they are at least 7 years old that i know of, and since i got rotten ones back then i assume even older. Unless maybe the rubber compound was defective or just cr@ppy then.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:58 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Sounds like your only consideration is price up front. I've worn out 2 metzlers and they both went about 6K. I have also worn out one Commander and it went almost 10k and the Commander is cheaper than the Metzler. I don't think their is any difference in handling. Also, I started using Dyna-beads in my tires instead of rim weights. They are about $4 dollars for a 2ounce bag and you can do it yourself. Even if someone else does it when they mount the tire it should be cheaper than a spin balance and the beads are far superior. Perfect balance for the life of the tire = a better ride and a longer lasting tire. I have beads front and rear, their is zero cupping or feathering and no issues with balance up to 115.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Price matching

Both Revzilla and Superstore will price match if you want to call them first. Revzilla gives a 10% bonus bucks good for your next purchase, an incentive to buy from them. Also Superstore will match any advertised price. I checked and the local Fort Lauderdale big bike supply Competition Cycle on Old Griffin Road is asking 232.99 but said they would also price match and they do good fast installs if your in this area.
I was thinking about how sticky the Metzlers are and had this thought that perhaps the rider would be better with the long life and not the tire. Is it so that Metzler made a special size for the 'Bird?
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Sounds like your only consideration is price up front. I've worn out 2 metzlers and they both went about 6K. I have also worn out one Commander and it went almost 10k and the Commander is cheaper than the Metzler. I don't think their is any difference in handling. Also, I started using Dyna-beads in my tires instead of rim weights. They are about $4 dollars for a 2ounce bag and you can do it yourself. Even if someone else does it when they mount the tire it should be cheaper than a spin balance and the beads are far superior. Perfect balance for the life of the tire = a better ride and a longer lasting tire. I have beads front and rear, their is zero cupping or feathering and no issues with balance up to 115.
No, my only consideration is not price. My first consideration is performance and I am totally satisfied with the handling of the Thunderbird. Also, the Commander does not come in the correct size ... it uses a 55 sidewall ratio instead of 50, meaning the bike sits a tad higher. Regardless of other opinions, I chose not to do that because I don't want to even take a chance changing the ride ... I am totally satisfied with it. I respect everyone's opinion on the handling of different tires. My point is why would I bother with experimenting when I am absolutely satisfied with performance, especially if I'm not particularly worried about mileage or overall tire cost? In short, I like the product the way it is.

Mileage is not the issue. I don't care if I only get 6,000 to 7,000 miles on a tire vs 10K. Performance is my main concern and I have been very happy with Metzeler.

The price between the ME880 and other tires is also not an issue. First, I decided, after a lot of research, to stick with the Metzeler. Once I chose to stick with the brand, then price and service became an issue. Of course I want the best price on the parts I decide I want to purchase. However, price is not my criteria when choosing which brand to go with in the first place.

Regarding AMT, they clearly offered the correct size ME880 at the lowest price when all things (item + tax + shipping + "surcharges") are factored. They answered questions quickly and they shipped immediately. I suggest that you keep them in mind when you shop for tires. I don't know how they price compare on the Michelin brand because as described above, I didn't even bother with pricing until I selected what I wanted, but I do vouch for their service.

Regarding Dyna Beads, the performance of that product is superior to weights for the simple reason that the balancing is dynamic ... it changes with the tire as it wears. Also, not having to look at ugly glued on weights is a side benefit.
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:43 PM   #17 (permalink)
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What's an old tire anyway? I don't know how long the ME880 has been around, but I think it's a relatively new design Regarding "Service Life", read the following:

I don't think the design is even this old.
The me 880 itself has been around for a long time.
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:31 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The me 880 itself has been around for a long time.
I believe the me880 in 200/50 VR17 was a special size designed forthe T-Bird, making it about 3-4 years old.
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Both Revzilla and Superstore will price match if you want to call them first. Revzilla gives a 10% bonus bucks good for your next purchase, an incentive to buy from them. Also Superstore will match any advertised price. I checked and the local Fort Lauderdale big bike supply Competition Cycle on Old Griffin Road is asking 232.99 but said they would also price match and they do good fast installs if your in this area.
I was thinking about how sticky the Metzlers are and had this thought that perhaps the rider would be better with the long life and not the tire. Is it so that Metzler made a special size for the 'Bird?
Why bother with the price match, especially since with the low price you also get no tax and free shipping? Also, for me, fast installs don't matter ... I do my own. On the tire size, yes I believe it is s custom size fir the 'Bird, but I can't find the place where I read that. Still looking. This is the only reference I found so far:

https://www.denniskirk.com/rear-me-8...re.p543232.prd
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Big Guy, I read that about the tire developed for the T-Bird in the Oct. 08 issue of Cycle Rider.
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