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Old 10-29-2012, 11:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Water based paint

My first day with the bike I had put on a magnetic tank bag. When I took it off my heart sank. Then I went to remove the scratches with cleaner wax. It made it 10 times worse. The polishing cloths were marking the finish. The second day I spent about 5 hours of hand buffing with Nu-Finiah Scratch Doctor and 5 coats of Meguires Yacht Polish...I started to use PEAK brand micro fiber after the first yellow Costco micro fibre cloths left the swirl marks. Now after 2 years it seems the paint is finally dry and strong. I have had a few Harley friends comment on the fit and finish of the Triumph and I feel that for at least this 2010 Carnival Red SE paint compares with the best of bikes.

The painters here in the shipyard where I do a lot of work in the past decades have a huge list of cancers and many deaths and they all worked with the LP paints. Granted that procedures are much more stringent with suits and masks but the paints also have gotten friendlier to humans. Yes the water-based paints suck. But not as much as loosing a family member or friend. There is more than an environmental toll for these modern paints especially for the workers at Triumph who first apply the paints. I'll take soft paint over human suffering any day.
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Old 10-30-2012, 04:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The water based paint is a environmental thing. I don't think it has anything to do with cost. It may be that the UK has stricter regs than other places, i dunno. In any case i don't find the paint to be less well done and nice a then harley. It's the softness i find bad, but as looks go when NOT scratchy it looks as nice as a HD. In fact, mine looks far nicer than my friend's dyna, and while more subjective, at least as nice and but feel nicer than my other friends RK's. Thats WHEN it's freshly de-scratched and looking it's best, which due to the softness isn't often. I have thought about having them shot with a solvent based clear, but it would be such a PITA and expensive i just decided to live with the softness. (plus i have used silicone detailers so that can't be done anyways)
The paint used on American cars and trucks is water based and seems to be dureable enough. Seems to me that sort of paint would work well on our bikes.

I have a 2011 Ford Truck and a 2009 Ford Mustang that the paint seems to be holding up well to regular use.

As fast as cost is concerned, I had a tank, side covers, and headlight shell for my 1973 Ducati with stenciled Ducati logo on the tank and well as a wide stripe with two thin stripes on either side on the stripe on the tank. This was a custom paint job by an established custom paint shop that usually does cars in Keller TX. Total cost: $575. That included prep and primer and clear coat. The guy did a fabulous job.

If you have to pay thousands to get a bike painted, you might be paying too much
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:42 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The paint used on American cars and trucks is water based and seems to be dureable enough. Seems to me that sort of paint would work well on our bikes.

I have a 2011 Ford Truck and a 2009 Ford Mustang that the paint seems to be holding up well to regular use.

As fast as cost is concerned, I had a tank, side covers, and headlight shell for my 1973 Ducati with stenciled Ducati logo on the tank and well as a wide stripe with two thin stripes on either side on the stripe on the tank. This was a custom paint job by an established custom paint shop that usually does cars in Keller TX. Total cost: $575. That included prep and primer and clear coat. The guy did a fabulous job.

If you have to pay thousands to get a bike painted, you might be paying too much
I know here in Ontario Canada. The base coats are water based but clear is not nor is primer as of yet. It would be the top coat that protects the base. In Europe, they may be required to use a water base clear already.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:04 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Soft Paint

My bird suffered the early paint scratches everyone else experienced. Thing is I had a mate in the paint business who wisely advised me to not polish the scratches for at least 12 months, and then only lightly.
The big girl will be 3 in Feb next year, and the paint has toughened up quite good, with minor scratches easily buffing out.
I hope this eases the minds of some of worried folk out there.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:22 AM   #15 (permalink)
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My bird suffered the early paint scratches everyone else experienced. Thing is I had a mate in the paint business who wisely advised me to not polish the scratches for at least 12 months, and then only lightly.
The big girl will be 3 in Feb next year, and the paint has toughened up quite good, with minor scratches easily buffing out.
I hope this eases the minds of some of worried folk out there.
I wish it did ease my mind. THREE years watching paint dry?
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:34 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Mine is a early 2010 SE and the clear scratches easily. My riding pants scratch the tank everytime I ride for a few hours.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I've given up on trying to keep my gloss black paint perfect. It has so many micro scratches in it now it's developing character. I wipe it down with a cloth sprayed with ACF-50 and it shines right up ... plus that stuff is awesome for corrosion resistance.

I worried a lot for the first few weeks about paint scratches. After I dropped a key ring on the tank and got a nice half inch gouge in it I just threw my hands in the air and decided to have fun with my bike and forget the paint. It all got better after that
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:12 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I took delivery with the first group in 6/09 and mine is still soft as ever. As to cars with water base, it's not the same at all. Like ukilme2 said, the base is water but the clear coat is likely not. My accord's paint is 10 times as hard as my Tbird. But thats ok, because my Tbird makes me 10 times harder than my accord.
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Dazco. I nearly spat my Guinness out as I read how much harder you are now on the Tbird compared to your Accord. Hope I get the same upgrade on my Storm compared to my Volvo.


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