Triumphrat

dazco · 07-14-2009, 04:59 PM

I phoned the USA offices today to ask about the TORs and the difference between the long and short ones. The USA offices are somewhat no better off than us customers are in that they just have to wait for word from the UK too. Anyways, he said that UK told him the long and short TORs are exactly the same as far as internals and restriction, or lack thereof. He also said that they (the USA offices) are doing thier own test today as we speak to see for themselves whether they hear any difference.

So at this point it seems you can choose you TORS based only on looks since they will both perform and sound the same. I will call back maybe next week and see if what the USA guys find is the same as they were told.

hypervista · 07-14-2009, 05:33 PM

Thanks for running this to ground daz. That's very usefull information. The only concern (minor) is we may not have confirmation that performace is the same between the long and short pipes until after the accessory pre-order deadline has passed (tomorrow). That said, I got the impression from my dealer today that the deadline may not be that firm. I also don't believe what some other guy posted the other day about waiting lists for accessories and that's why I say it's only a minor concern.

Speaking of customization, I'd like your advice. I too am not fond of the shape and length of the headlamp (I know you expressed some reservations about it early in your ownership). I've asked my dealer about the possibility of putting a more "snubnose", flatter headlamp (like the one on the America). He said it was possible (they have to look into wiring), but that it would likely preclude installing the TBird windshield or running lights later. Now, not being an experience rider, I don't plan on putting a windscreen on it (shallow decision based on looks and preference). My question to you is should I wait until I have it a while before pulling the trigger on the headlamp swap out on the chance I'll come to admire the stock headlamp, particularly since swapping it out now will preclude the windshield and running lights option later (I'm not a fan of running lights either, but I do like the Motolights running lights that attach to the calipers)?

dazco · 07-14-2009, 06:02 PM

Actually i DID sk them that and they said they are both the same and will sound/perform the same. I even asked if there was a map for the pipes and the free flo filter, but they said theres only a map for the pipes and he wasn't sure that they would have a different map for the pipes alone and the pipes with the filter. Sounds odd to me that they wouldn't have a map would not be optimized for the filter in conjuction with the pipes, as i would think if it's only for the pipes then adding the filter would leave you lean. the only thing i can figure is maybe the filter is not a freer flowing filter but just reusable and so doesn't affect the mix.

on the headlight, i have come to actually like it. I would have never thought so, but i guess it's one of several things that in the flesh looks better. I would however like it if i could pull it back maybe 1-2". the mount doesn't appear to allow that tho, so something would have to be fabbed.

Thatch · 07-15-2009, 02:04 AM

Wait till you get it hyper. That light belongs exactly where it is, it's part of what give a nice clean almost chopper look to the bike. The view from behind the handlebars is really something else. The lack of dials and the protruding headlight really make for an appealing rider view as well as making it dead sexy for other lesser, non tbird owning gaukers to enjoy.

Birdy68 · 07-15-2009, 06:10 AM

Ummmm.... I don't know! I'm on the same side of the fence as Hyper is!

I've got this wish for a classic lamp - with Amp meter built in!
Always wanted one on my Speedmaster, but as we know the Speedometer is in the line of vision for the lamp.

I reckon I'll be fitting a 7" Lucas lamp with Amp meter in it - using side mounts on forks.
See attached pics for an idea of where I'm going.

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1) Headlamp bracket on scrambler. Mount on fork - side fixtures in lamp.
2) Lucas 7" Lamp with Amp meter & side fixtures.
3) T-Bird lamp mount

Feedbacks welcome

dazco · 07-15-2009, 12:50 PM

I called triumph again today to see what they found after telling me yesterday that as we spoke they were installing the short and long TORs to test them. He said they heard no difference worth mentioning. Very slight if at all. I also had him re-affirm that UK told him that there is no performance difference between them. So base your decision totally on look. I wanted the shorties but have since come to prefer the longs.

Birdy68 · 07-25-2009, 06:40 PM

I also initialy thought the short pipes would be good. But since then I have seen the shorties and they ARE SHORT! Too short for my likings - so Ive ordered the long ones.

btw - we are talking about the same pipes arent we... Im talking about the official Triumph High Flow Exhausts.
What is it you are saying when you write TORs? What does TOR stand for?

Thatch · 07-25-2009, 06:54 PM

Triumph Off Road I believe

dazco · 07-25-2009, 07:46 PM

Yes, and they call them off roads to signify they are not street legal. They are designated as "muffler kit long" (or short for the short ones) in the accessory catalog. TORs are usually not as loud and not as unrestricted as 3rd party aftermarket pipes. Then again who knows if the Tbird offering will follow that general rule. On a side note, triumph USA told me the shorties and longs sound and perform the same.

Birdy68 · 07-27-2009, 11:23 AM

Are these the pipes that have 'FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY' stamped into the side of them?!?

If so - can it be easily seen by... lets say, Mr. Police Man?