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Old 07-23-2010, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dag nab starting problems

So my poor Bird's in the shop because it doesn't start easy. Sometimes it turns over fine, sometimes it starts and dies unless I open the throttle for a moment, and once in a while it just cranks and won't turn over for a while.

It's in the shop, they're talking with Triumph, they know about the "let it run for twelve minutes" trick, and they want to run a leak test to try to figure this out, but it requires replacing the oil gasket and they don't have a new gasket in stock, neither does the other Triumph dealer in the stake.

So my month and a half old Bird with a mere eleven hundred miles on it won't start easy, the dealer nor Triumph can yet figure out why, and I have to wait until a new gasket comes in to hope to get it fixed (and that could be more than a week).

Has anyone else had a starting problem this annoying?

OK, it's not the STARTER itself, sorry -- my bad. It's something with the engine and/or timing.
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Old 07-23-2010, 05:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A number of people have had various starting issues that were rectified with a change to the tors map, many of whom are NOT running tors, so who are. Mine had a hot starting issue. If the bike was warm it would not hold idle and just die unless i blipped the throttle a couple times. TORs tune fixed it 100%. You might at least have them load the TORs tune as a test and if that cures it you know it's a issue with the stock map. Someone recently mentioned a problem with a stock R3 map that had a fuel setting that was way off when the engine was at a certain temp. so there are triumph maps that are wacky i guess. I don't know if this is a issue with certain maps or if they get corrupted or what. All i know is many starting issues were cured by changing to the tors map on the Tbird, so that may be the place your dealer should look at.

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So my poor Bird's in the shop because it doesn't start easy. Sometimes it turns over fine, sometimes it starts and dies unless I open the throttle for a moment, and once in a while it just cranks and won't turn over for a while.

It's in the shop, they're talking with Triumph, they know about the "let it run for twelve minutes" trick, and they want to run a leak test to try to figure this out, but it requires replacing the oil gasket and they don't have a new gasket in stock, neither does the other Triumph dealer in the stake.

So my month and a half old Bird with a mere eleven hundred miles on it won't start easy, the dealer nor Triumph can yet figure out why, and I have to wait until a new gasket comes in to hope to get it fixed (and that could be more than a week).

Has anyone else had a starting problem this annoying?

OK, it's not the STARTER itself, sorry -- my bad. It's something with the engine and/or timing.
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Old 07-23-2010, 06:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I just took mine in today because it recently started stuttering like it's running out of gas and fluctuating at idle causing it to occasionally die. I also asked them to check into the hard starting issue. It's always started harder than what I'm used to on other bikes, but sometimes (particularly lately) it can take several times for it to fire up and keep running. Most of the time when starting it has to putt, putt, putt a few times until it gets up enough rpm's to sustain itself. I'm OK if it just has to turn over a few more times than I'm used to before starting, but once it kicks, I think it should take off like it's got someplace to go. Hopefully they can straighten it out quickly since I'm leaving for the Dragon next Friday (fingers crossed).
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Old 07-23-2010, 09:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have the shorty tors with the tor tune and have never had a problem starting the bike, got about 3500 miles on her now and so far no issues with starting.
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I just got mine back from the shop yesterday. I took it in on 7/1!! It had the same problem as the rest. Hard start and want to die when hot, took two or three stabs to start when cold and finally the right cylinder would not fire when cold unless I kept some throttle on. First they replaced the coil. Better but not right. They were in touch with Georgia and went through some hoops.Finally told me it was an air sensor that was bad. Seems to be fine now. Even though they had it for a long time, I did get a loaner. A brand new Tiger...Whew!! Those things are FAST....
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I have the standard tune and have no starting problems - I have 11,000 miles on my Bird.

When I first got the bike it started hard once or twice, but has been rock solid since.

To me must either be this learning process people are discussing or a malfunction. You could try the TOR tune, but personally I would want the dealer to make it right without the change in tune for two reasons 1) the bike should run fine with the standard tune and 2) if it doesn't and the TOR tune corrects it, then the TOR tune could be masking the issue, i.e. a band-aid, not a cure.
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:20 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Well, the starting is now officially the least of my problems. New thread time.
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:34 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I know this is an old post, but mine is doing the exact same thing. I'm just about to take it in, so we'll see that the dealer says.....
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I also have the hard starting problem when the engine is hot, and has only been off for a few minutes. If I hold the throttle at about 2k for 15 seconds or so then everything is fine after that. After reading this thread I am wondering if I should also have my dealer take another look. I mentioned it to them when I took the bike in for its initial service, but forgot to ask them about it before I rode it home. According the tech everything checked out, but I don't know if the service writer actually had him look at the issue or not.
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A number of Tbirds have had a bad O-ring causing there not to be enough pressure in the fuel line. Your dealer can easily check the pressure. Have them call Triumph if they aren't familar with this.

I starting have starting issue at the end of last summer. Reflashing the ECU with TuneECU solved the problem, but I am not sure why.
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