Triumphrat

Thatch · 01-30-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by engage

I hear what you are saying and my intent is not to be argumentative,

Oh I know. No ill intent here either. Bikes are all about choices and we all make the ones that are right for us.

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Their are really only two negatives I can see:

riding on dirt roads (which I doubt many of us do with this bike)
Using ABS as an excuse to not practice braking

3. Your budget won't let you get the ABS AND the BB kit. One has to have priorities

As for dirt roads. I did that once on the bird. I do NOT recommend attempting this, especially if that dirt is sand.

Couldn't agree more on the practice.

engage · 01-30-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Thatch

Oh I know. No ill intent here either. Bikes are all about choices and we all make the ones that are right for us.

I'm with you on that brother, but I still don't know why you don't have a fancy seat merkin. That's not a choice, it's a necessity

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3. Your budget won't let you get the ABS AND the BB kit. One has to have priorities

It's going to be awhile before I consider a BB. I don't have your height, but I go 230 (solid muscle of course), so even with the 1600, when I let her rip, the bike goes, but my fat ass what's to stay put

My daughter tells me there is ice and a bit of snow in your area today.

Thatch · 01-30-2010, 01:07 PM

Yeah we're snow.... er iced in at the moment. Not that bad but I refuse to get on the road with a bunch of southerners on the ice. That's just asking for trouble. We start warming up again next week (fingers crossed)

Yeah I know what you mean on size. I'm about 250lb and I'm quite sure some of the wee ones around here have a slightly different experience on the bike than I do. I did save 20 some odd pounds with the BC pipes but I just took that as that I could go for seconds now.

The kit however has made caused me to seemingly loose quite a bit of weight.

moraus · 01-31-2010, 07:35 PM

Hey all, Thanks for your comments. I rang Triumph Australia today and they said that is correct you Can not get the ABS on the limited run Tbirds. I asked why and it was a factory decission..

May have to give them a call when they wake up..

James

moraus · 02-03-2010, 09:05 PM

Hey all, Well good news. My dealer called today and advised the the Haze Tbirds are avaliable with ABS. I had att he start of the week Emailed triumph UK and advised them of the issue and in a suprise they emailed back that they will look into it. So issue all sorted out.

Thank all and look forward to my new Tbird in a fe months

James

Rossco · 02-04-2010, 08:29 AM

Well done.
Now you get both a greatlooking bike and from all the comments a safer bike.

Dicky6 · 09-03-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ch!ppy

I would dito Thatch about the fact that ABS cant be fitted after, so it makes it a no brainer to me to choose the ABS over a custom paint, if you had to make the choice that is (that also assumes i would want the custom paint for the sake of the argument).

..personally if its a given that it is beneficial to your safety i dont care that it doesnt look pretty..imo, it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb and people arn't looking at the ABS ring when they look at your bike. along the same line of reasoning that, the duel disks get in the way of looking at the wheel but i would prefer duel disks that work more effectively than one disk that is less effective

funny tho, i am interested why Thatch you say ABS has limited use in comparison to being on a car...my thoughts are the opposite is all..to me i find ABS on a car a PITA, it throws my car forward at times when it just shouldn't (because one wheel hits something slippery e.g a wet white line or man hole cover etc etc..e.g i am slowly coming to a stop at the lights, one wheel hits a wet manhole cover and the whole car is thrown forward (either into the intersection or closer to the car in front of me)until it re-estabished grip, stupid thing would have stopped fine with the other 3 wheels and no ABS) and being used to driving on dirt roads where the car sometimes drifts around a corner or other poor australian roads with soft shoulders i much prefer to be able to have the control over braking myself (though i appreciate that many people may like ABS on a car and it may have extra benefits in snow, which i rarely ever see let alone drive in it)...

but on a bike it seems to me ABS is of far more benefit, it only takes that one slip up, in a panic braking situation and the bike can be lost (and it gets damaged as do you), its in that situation that ABS seems to me infinitely more useful on a bike to me

This past Friday I traded my 2010 1600 Blue Haze (10,000 mi.) for a brand new 2010 1700 ABS in "Jet Black." They gave me more than I owed for the trade and Triumph is giving $1,500 in accessories right now. I feel the ABS is worthwhile and I definitely can appreciate the extra 100 cc's. One little disappointment is that the new bike does not come with steel braided brake lines--***? I am fine with the Jet Black, but I can always go with an aftermarket painting down the road.

Regards!
Dicky

colombianstorm · 12-06-2012, 07:26 AM

I had a car come out of nowhere from my right a couple of months ago. I remembered to slow down as much as possible before hitting the car and probably shoot over it. I slammed both brakes. When I "hit" it, I fell on the ground. This is the feedback from two buddies riding behind me: Unbelievably, the bike stopped in a straight line and you didn't hit it; the back edge of the car pushed your front wheel to the left and you fell over. I'm telling anybody who wants to save some $$$ and not get ABS: DON'T!!! It may not have saved my life but I can certainly tell you that based on my braking experience with prior motorcycles without the ABS, I'm sure that I would have slammed into the car.

b1rdman · 12-06-2012, 12:11 PM

Not a whole lot of years ago the only bikes with ABS was BMW. I was just looking one day cause I couldn't afford either one so I told the sales guy half the truth and said I wouldn't by a bike with ABS. He told me he was riding in wet weather when a car stopped in front of him, he didn't have room to stop, and was able to steer around while on the breaks. Also , just think of it as a one time payment for an insurance policy and if you avoid one accident it's paid for itself.
I would wager that most people that don't like ABS hasn't ridden it. No matter how good you are, one day your going to have a car, or a deer, or a kid on a bike pull out in front of you. The day that kid made me almost crap my pants I was especially glad that I had excellent brakes. I think he was too.

dazco · 12-06-2012, 01:41 PM

Nothing against ABS, and i would never tell anyone they aren't worth it. But having started in '69 on a honda 160 and had my share of stupid mishaps as a kid and young adult, I have a extreme awareness of what causes bike accidents and here is what i think about ABS. the vast majority of situations where ABS would save you are situations that you could have avoided if you ride with EXTREME caution and awareness of what can happen ahead of you. ABS will mot help you is someone sideswipes you on the freeway, if someone comes into your lane head on, if someone rear ends you, etc etc. It only helps if someone in front of you appears. And thats pretty much ALWAYS avoidable if you are always ready for it and do a few simple tactics. As an example, when i approach a car waiting to pull out of a side street, driveway, or waiting to turn left in the oncoming lane, i slow down to a degree that if they DO pull in front of me i can stop. This involves slowing quite a bit AND being aware of the car in back of you. I never once have seen anyone else do that, but i do because it is almost if not 100% effective in avoiding those situations where ABS would be needed.

My point is that ABS situations, which are all cars pulling in front of you, are avoidable via extreme awareness and complete and constant vigilance as you ride. The only flaw in that, which will lessen it's effect to below the safety factor of ABS, is if you DON'T stay aware. It DOES take time to get good at it and always remeber to do so. On the other hand it has the advantage over ABS of being almost foolproof which ABS isn't. It's only good assuming you are within a workable distance of the jackass who pulls in front of you. Awareness puts you in a place where ABS or not you can stop. But again, you have to be aware ALL THE TIME. Took me a while to develop the ability to be always aware. fear was a big help ! But i can recall at least 2 or 3 times just since i have had the Tbird that slowing way down when a car that could pull out in front of me did, and it allowed me to stop no problem when i doubt even ABS would have. I truly believe most riders are not aware enough just from observation. Many if not most ARE aware, just not to a fanatical degree, and thats what it takes.