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Old 03-14-2008
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Rocket Mad. Neat.
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Old 03-14-2008
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I was at my dealer's the other day to get Progressive fork springs installed and he said that their service department would be idle if all they dealt with was Triumphs. Fortunately for them, they have a huge service business with Harleys. The also now sell MV Augusta.
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Old 03-18-2008
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Other Motorcycle: 05' Honda Rune
Extra Motorcycle: 05' BMW K1200S
Rocket Scientist
There's an old saying "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think". After reading the last post, I've grown bored of trying to lead this Rocket blinded herd to water.

Hey dougl, your profile says your a scientist. God help us if you're working on the cure for cancer.

I'm no Rocket scientist, but it occurred to me that maybe, just maybe, their service department would be idle because there are probably 200 Harleys for every Triumph. It's just a thought.

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Old 03-18-2008
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RM, I'm not sure why you are surprised at the type of responses you have gotten. This is a Rocket site and most of us like/love/adore our ride. A lot of us have had minor beefs, we air them out here, some suggestions are thrown around and someone usually reports back if the suggestion made any difference.

Obviously by your post, you have not had a great experience, believe me I feel your pain, and a number of us have offered suggestions, encouraged you and tried to support you in a general way...all the while hoping we aren't in next in line for the same experience you have had.

But the bottom line is there aren't that many of us, so what, anybody in my personal opinion can ride a Harley, it takes someone special to master this beast (and others of the high HP and high torque type of bike), we're proud of it and I'm sorry that you feel so frosted at someone like Dougl, Ugarte...probably me too (by the end of this post), and others who haven't had the problems you've had. We still enjoy riding the Rocket, I'm sure when one of us starts to have major problems we are hoping we don't have your experience. A lot of it is the dealer, as stated before I happen to have a great one, it's apparent you probably don't. But take the good with the bad among us and try not to lose heart...we are still pulling for you even though you appear to think that those of us who still like our Rockets are either ignorant or stupid...we are not.

Good luck,
Dennis
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Old 03-18-2008
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Molinoman, it’s almost midnight in Florida. You’re obviously tired and confused. Go to bed.

You wrote: “… you appear to think that those of us who still like our Rockets are either ignorant or stupid … we are not.”. There is a difference between liking your Rocket and letting your “lust” for the Rocket cloud your judgment. Did you read the story I posted about my divorced friend?

Dennis, you sound like a nice guy with a very low threshold for argument. Don’t take my posts so seriously. I’m just having a little fun with the ridiculous conclusions being peddled by some of the Rocket blinded fools on this board. Ride on buddy … and as we say here in California, just ignore my “negative energy”.
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Old 04-07-2008
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Lemon Law Claim Update
Here’s an update on my Lemon Law Claim with Triumph. This time I’m naming names.

This post might be better suited under a thread entitled “Triumph Corporate Values” instead of “Reliability”. Yes, I understand ALL bikes have their lemons and we could waste even more time arguing over who spits out more lemons than anyone else. It’s like watching five year olds in a sandbox fight over the toughest dad on the block. While the loyalty is admirable, without pitting dad against dad, it is and always was a pointless debate. My focus in this post is to expose the crew in Hinckley for the company principles they apparently espouse.

First a recap: After three failed warranty repairs on my transmission, the Rocket locked up in second gear leaving me stranded in the mountains of San Bernardino. The closest Triumph dealership was Doug Douglas Motorcycles. Although the Rocket was still under warranty, they politely refused to take it in for repair. The reason … a transmission warranty repair had already been attempted by another dealer. I had heard that excuse before at Rocket Motorcycles in San Diego, but this time it was a cold November evening and I had only second gear to negotiate the 100 miles of dark and desolate back roads between me and home. That was the last straw. I filed a Lemon Law Claim and the Rocket has been collecting dust ever since. That was November 2006.

The discovery process of my Lemon Law Claim uncovered the sordid history behind my Rocket III. We discovered a handwritten notation in the pre-delivery inspection report stating that the transmission was sticking before the bike was even rolled onto the showroom floor. I also learned that my experience with transmission failure wasn’t the first one for this bike. I have an affidavit (signed under penalty of perjury) detailing a test ride by the sales manager during which the transmission locked-up BEFORE the bike was sold to me as new. The damage was so severe that the shop mechanic recommended a complete “unit replacement” rather than repairing the transmission. He was instead instructed to “just make it work”. It appears that the dealer wanted to sweep this one under the carpet as there is no record of a warranty claim for the repair. North County Yamaha in San Marcos California in case you’re wondering.

Well, it’s now April 08’ and I’ve finally received my first offer from Triumph. I’ll say one thing for the folks at Triumph … they are consistent. They’ve consistently failed to accept responsibility for a rogue dealer or the lemon that escaped Hinckley. In their warped sense of fairness and good customer relations, they’ve delayed responding to my claim for 18 months before finally suggesting that I accept one of their two pathetic offers. Last week they offered to repair the transmission (for the 4th time) or buy the bike back at today’s blue book value of $8,500. I have about $30K invested in my Rocket. I might be a little more sympathetic to their position if this lemon had escaped the dealer without their knowledge. But given that Triumph has clear documentation that my bike was a flaming lemon before it even left the lot, it looks as if they’d rather see their money go to lawyers than towards reimbursing this Rocketeer for his time, money and trouble.

It’s been said that character is what shows when no one is watching. Triumph has shown their character in how they’ve responded to my experience. I just want to make sure everyone here sees it too.

One more thing … if you’re thinking of buying that new Rocket, send me a PM. I’ll tell you how Triumph plays ball if you get stuck with one of their lemons. Apparently customer satisfaction ranks low on their list of priorities. They choose to rely on nostalgia to push their brand forward. They can’t compete head to head with the Japanese so they draw from the past. A clever strategy ... for attracting stamp collectors. Not me, I ride bikes.

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Old 04-07-2008
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First thanks for sharing the story. Have you contacted an attorney? Personnally I would sue Triumph and the dealer for knowingly selling you that bike with that kind of reported/documented history. You should be able to not only get what you had in the bike back but a chunk in punitive damages.

You're lucky your state's lemon law covers motorcycles. Most states don't.
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Go get 'em! Again, sorry to hear of your situation but you need to make Triumph make it right and I can't blame you at all (not that I was) for having to had put up with this type of treatment. Hopefully Triumph will learn from this and not make the same mistake in the future...we can always hope anyway.

Good luck, Florida just happens to be a "no lemon law for motorcycles" state.
Dennis
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Old 04-07-2008
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Pigger, how did I end up being a "Senior Member"???
Dennis
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Old 04-08-2008
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Pigger, how did I end up being a "Senior Member"???
Dennis

I think they figured out how old you really are.
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