Triumphrat

SteveRed · 04-13-2006, 07:21 AM

As posted on the original R3owners forum :-D

I met up with Wayne today and we worked that dyno from before lunch till around three. Let me just say here... Wayne you are a gentleman and a freaking genius!!! We used my bike as a diagnostic dummy and remapped it this way and that. In the end the bike is near tuned to perfection with the secondaries remaining open in all gears and the speed corrected (which by the way now means that the top speed is limited to around 255km/hr. It seems that if you wanted to over correct the speed by say 20% instead of the 7% it is out. Then the limiter would allow you to reach a real speed of say 300km/hr) I chose for the speedo to read correctly and yes the odometer will be slightly out showing less miles or km's... Better for resale I reckon!!

Because my bike already had the PCIII we ran tests with the PC in place on a few different 'Triumph tunes' Then we zero mapped it cause it was too much of a bother to remove the rivco risers etc to lift the tank and totally remove it, I will do this over the weekend or when I do the (a) filter mod! Anyway it was easy to discover why I have had the idle problems... When I had the PCIII installed I had the original Triumph 20050 tune on. The PC was installed at the same time as I had the pipes fitted and it worked like a charm even with the restrictions in the first couple of gears. When it went in for it's first service, the techs at Procycle (DOH!) saw I had the mods and decided to install the 20054 tune, without telling me mind you! BIG MISTAKE!!! This is when the bike started running lean at low revs in those first gears and stalling etc. When you see the dyno graph, you can see that the 20054 tune really ***** up the PCIII map.

In fact the 20054 tune is a $hit of a tune, cause you can see from Wayne's graphs on the tuneboy that it delivers more power in the first gears and then takes it right away in the middle gears only to release it again in the final gear. The original 20050 tune is a better tune for the Rocket! Sorry to upset anyone who thinks the 20054 tune is king! It aint!!

Wayne will post the dyno graph of my bike to make this point I am sure. (Probably on the 'other' site, though I will post a link if he does) The final result with Tuneboy is almost a mirror of the bike in its original tune with the PCIII HOWEVER with more power and torque delivered across the board. I am very happy and the bike runs like a scalded cat with those secondaries open from go to woe! And now the bike computer delivers what it is programmed to deliver knowing that the secondaries are still intact.

Wayne showed me that any of you with the Tuneboy should hit that button and understand that should there be a problem you can recover from it almost immediately. Just don't head off to your Triumph dealer expecting them to understand anything about Tuneboy.

It is obvious that he knows what he is doing and I only hope that Wayne got out of today as much as I did... Thanks mate!! 'Cool' He did take away a lot of maps from the bike in various configerations and setups, so I hope that with this info he will be able to help all and any with Q & A's.

By the way Wayne rode in on a Triumph Daytona 595 with a home built turbo ( bits for AUD $900 / $660 US) that puts out 167RWHP and 120lb torque! It is probably the most dyno'd bike in Australia!! LOL

Expect to see some figures and maps up of our day soon. We both rode home in the rain, but I was still smiling when I got home an hour after I left Tuneboy still talking shop with the mechanics at Parra Kawasaki!!

Oh, and the way Wayne is eventually setting up his service, you will be able to download a configured map to suit your setup. i.e catbox, catbox removed... pipes etc! So JUST DO IT!!!

Cheers!

[ This message was edited by: SteveRed on 2006-04-17 20:43 ]

dougl · 04-13-2006, 10:04 AM

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On 2006-04-13 05:21, SteveRed wrote:
As posted on the original R3owners forum :-D

Oh, and the way Wayne is eventually setting up his service, you will be able to download a configured map to suit your setup. i.e catbox, catbox removed... pipes etc! So JUST DO IT!!!

Cheers!

Sounds great. Too bad Wayne doesn't live in Reno. I wonder what are the prospects that my Triumph dealer, who is a DynoJet center, will ever be able duplicate what Wayne did with your bike.

Also, what are the odds that a Tuneboy map, e.g., for TORs/cat bypass done on a bike in Australia, will work on my bike better than the 20054 map that is now in it.

I guess the answer to that question is that the 20054 map was created for bikes in England and is installed in hundreds of bikes located hither, thither, and yon.

SteveRed · 04-13-2006, 08:30 PM

Dougl... You sound a bit pessamistic my friend! You won't need to get to a dyno as the maps will be available for your setup via download! Take a look at the links Wayne has set up showing maps we ran on my bike! Tuneboy sticky page two see Waynes post!

Specifically see how the 20054 tune by Triumph actually restricts power in the mid range in the second and third gears.

Anyway, horses for courses my friend. However I would say the ODDS are in your favor! :wink:

dougl · 04-14-2006, 10:07 AM

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On 2006-04-13 18:30, SteveRed wrote:
Dougl... You sound a bit pessamistic my friend!

Not pessimistic - just trepidatious. It would be really nice to drop a good tune into my bike without screwing around with dealers and dynos.

Hondax · 04-14-2006, 12:22 PM

Thanks for the write up Stevered. I'm most interested in the Tuneboy and will probably get it, but I'll wait for the advanced force to establish a beach head before I get my feet wet. I'm not technical enough to work thru snags and being two hours away from my dealer doesn't help.

Yes of course if everyone had my attitude new products would be difficult to market, but then I'm confident in knowing many just have to get Tuneboy quick,..... hard wired in some folks i reckon.

Tacker · 04-14-2006, 12:32 PM

I loaded my first map with tuneboy I sat looking at it for awhile before i plucked up the nerve to press the download button. Less than minute into the download i got a error message Timed out Now was the time to panic But i just pressed recover from a failed download button and followed the instruction's. Worked fine I already had the standard TRIUMPH tune 50 in so i just load that again. Don't know if there is a difference between Tuneboys 20050 tune and triumphs 20050 but the bike does seem to run smoother. Or it might be my imagination and wishful thinking Now i want SteveReds
Tune with the modified secondarys. Tuneboy what a great tool

[ This message was edited by: Tacker on 2006-04-14 10:40 ]

dougl · 04-14-2006, 12:35 PM

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On 2006-04-14 10:22, Hondax wrote:
I'll wait for the advanced force to establish a beach head before I get my feet wet. I'm not technical enough to work thru snags and being two hours away from my dealer doesn't help.

Who's the advanced force? I'm not technical either although I can operate a computer. If I can figure out how to plug it in, store the current map and drop in SteveRed's map (those power curves look great), I'd do it no problem.

dougl · 04-14-2006, 12:40 PM

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On 2006-04-14 10:32, Tacker wrote:
I loaded my first map with tuneboy I sat looking at it for awhile before i plucked up the nerve to press the download button. Less than minute in the download i got a error message Timed out Now was the time to panic But i just pressed recover from a failed download button and followed the instruction's. Worked fine I already had the standard TRIUMPH tune 50 in so i just load that again. Don't know if there is a difference between Tuneboys 20050 tune and triumphs 20050 but the bike does seem to run smoother. Or it might be my imagination and wishful thinking Now i want SteveReds
Tune with the modified secondarys. Tuneboy what a great tool

So you were able to upload the stock map and store it, then download the Tuneboy map? Sounds easy. Where's the plug for the ECU?

What exhaust configuration do you have? It looks like SteveRed has TORs/cat bypass and that the 20050 tune works best for a stock tune.

Tacker · 04-14-2006, 12:44 PM

The plug for the ECU is under the seat by the side of the Battery I have the cat bypass pipe and standard pipes

dougl · 04-14-2006, 12:54 PM

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On 2006-04-13 05:21, SteveRed wrote:
As posted on the original R3owners forum :-D
When I had the PCIII installed I had the original Triumph 20050 tune on. The PC was installed at the same time as I had the pipes fitted and it worked like a charm even with the restrictions in the first couple of gears.

Do you have the TORs and cat bypass? Your final Tuneboy power curve looks great. The stock 20050 curve looks good too.