Triumphrat

DUCKMAN · 12-28-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyburgertush

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. Iam 5'10" but I have a 27 " inseam ! Yikes !

How can that be...I am 5'5 and have a 27" inseam.....

steve59 · 12-31-2012, 10:24 AM

Zip, I could have started this thread word for word, the 1 difference being I thought if I could get those dyno #'s on my storm I would be satisfied. What gives? does it not translate on the street.

dougl · 12-31-2012, 06:41 PM

The Rocket has more power potential, other factors being equal, by a factor of 23 to 17. So assuming you did all the head work, oversized the valves and injectors, redesigned the cams, and put in domed pistons to increase the compression to 11.5, you might expect 170 hp from the Storm.

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triplestrength · 12-31-2012, 07:20 PM

And the weight is not too different.

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steve59 · 01-01-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyburgertush

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. Iam 5'10" but I have a 27 " inseam ! Yikes !

have you tried a jock strap?

steve59 · 01-01-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyburgertush

Hey dazco---
I have done all that to my Storm 1700( intake mods.,PC dyno tune , D&D exhaust including decat,even a little head clean up work and compression) I had it done,I didn't do it myself but I can't find cams for it !-- I now dyno @ 101 hp and 118tq.. Thats OK for a stock bike ---but I do want some excessive Hp & TQ --I believe that the Rockett can be coaxed to perform without much more effort.
I have been exchanging e-mails with those guys at South Bay Triumph since I bought my bike in early 2011....all I get is promises of new cams and superb headwork ! They can't seem to deliver on those promises and all expected new products do not seem to materialize !
My Storm now fits me well but I believe there is also a way to fit my pending new Rockett to my rather needy inseam requirements ! Australia is too far away to count on reliably obtaining speed parts-------------------------------
Old guys need to go fast too---Iam old not decrepit and I do love to ride an exciting cycle......................................thank you for the input !

Does your storm have the dreaded speed limiter? also I would hope the extra hp would give you more rpm's in top gear. sorry to post this on the rocket page, I'm pretty sure there would be plenty of interest by tbird owners what your mods cost and if the changes have a down side. Your numbers are the best I've seen for the storm & I would gladly work a few saturdays to get that power from my bike. Will you be keeping the Storm or trading it in for the Rocket?

coneye · 01-04-2013, 12:52 AM

Mate ,,, if your a power junkie . do yourself a favor and buy the rocket , shorter progresive shocks , plus a seat tune if needed , will give you all the power you need , you will NEVER get the same from a storm simply because you could spenfd thousands getting the storm to the same level has a stock rocket and the guy next door spends on his rocket , and gets a lot more .

Believe me has a rocket owner and a former t bird owner , i doubt you will be disapointed , the rocket tourer , is more comfortable than the roadster or the older standard model ( and the t bird ) ,, but slightly less hp although this can be got back by a tune and removing the secondarys , , the tourer has the smaller back wheel and handles probably a little better than the roadster in the carpark stuff ,, but heh , if power is the need i assume you can handle the bike , .

If its long haul 2 up riding go the tourer if its , round town and spirited hills riding go the roadster , either have enough power and both can be tweaked up with tunes and you will not spend thousands being the guenea pig , only to be disapointed .

dazco · 01-04-2013, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by coneye

you will NEVER get the same from a storm simply because you could spenfd thousands getting the storm to the same level has a stock rocket and the guy next door spends on his rocket , and gets a lot more .

Actually, thats not true, at least in Austrailia where tuneboy and a lot of triumph custom stuff resides. There are 2 guys at the 1600 forum that have shown dynos with R3 power with basic cat/exhaust mods and custom cams with a good tuning. Actually MORE power than the R3 standard or touring because they are showing REAR WHEEL power in thier dynos. 140 ft lbs and as far as HP i think they are at 130, tho i can't recall exactly. If that were measured at the crank it would likely best a standard R3. Also realize the R3 probably drops another 5 ot 10 HP at the shaft compared to the Tbird's belt. The roadster has more, but again thats not rear wheel so it's pretty close and maybe even considering the shaft vs belt and 80 more Lbs in weight.

Now i'm not saying that means anyone should get a Tbird. The R3 has the power w/o going to the trouble of the mods. But they CAN easily match the R3 without major mods, and if ou happen to prefer the Tbird in other ways but want that power, the option to have that IS real. With more extensive mods theres no doubt they could go much further too. A triumph mechanic that reviewed the internals said the Tbird clutch is actually beefier than the R3 and that the crank is massive. I have no doubt that with cams and higher CR polishing and all that good stuff these can breathe fire and remain reliable.

triplestrength · 01-04-2013, 04:44 PM

You can tune anything to produce more power.
So you spend x amount on a Tbird to get more power, then you spend the same on a R3 guess what you get more power.
The Tbird was/is a derivative of the R3 two cylinders instead of 3.
Put the cranks side by side, guess what? Very similar but the Tbird's is shorter.
For the difference in cost and weight I don't get the point of the Tbird, its a nice bike but why settle for less?

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dazco · 01-04-2013, 05:54 PM

I'm not sure why you can't see the point of the Tbird, but i do see the point of the R3 and in my eyes thats power. there are however MANY different aspects to a bike besides power. To me the Tbird is superior in every other way, so if someone else feels the same way why would he not opt for that path and mod for power if he also wants that? I won't give up 90% of what i want for 10% of what. My point was however not that, but since you brought it up....

My point however was in answer to coneye's proposal that the Tbird can't be improved much power wise. It can, and big time. By the way, with decat, tors, a slight intake mod and a custom tune mine is worlds more powerful than it was as a stock 1600. It's not remotely close. It's even quite a bit stronger than it was after i upgraded to the 1700 kit. It's till not in R3 territory, but i have ridden a R3 and it's not all that far off anymore. the guys with the cams and tuneboy are making more than a standard R3. So pick your bike, but do it according to which you like best because either can have plenty of power. they are VERY different bikes too, so I really don't see it as a decision to be made based solely on power unless thats all thats important to you. Some like the R3 better. great. Those guys have no further need to mod. But to say theres no point to the Tbird because it doesn't have the R3's power? Why are you even riding a R3 then when the 500+ HP boss hoss is available? Is there no point to the R3 since the BH is more powerful? How about the Diavel? The Vmax? If only the top dog powerwise is valid, the Tbird AND the R3 wouldn't exist.