Power Differences Tourer/Roadster

[norton74]

Originally Posted by Rocket XIII

The other cruisers I have ridden have all felt short of power, but I do not have this sensation with the R3T.

At lower rpms, no one else has the power of the R3 because no one else has their torque at those low rpms.

(Power in Horsepower) = (Torque in foot pounds)(engine speed in rpm)/5250.

If you've got 150 ft pounds of torque at 2000 rpm and another guy's got 100, guess which one will pull away faster if both are at that speed?

Obviously the key is matching the transmission to the road load and the engine. They've done an exceptional job with this on the R3T.

That 105 hp power spec is meaningless in the engine operating range that the transmission puts you for road situations.

Thanks for the feedback. I am seriously considering a new R3T. Not sure if I want to buy it now or wait until spring. If I buy it now, I won't get to ride it much until spring. If I wait until spring, the dealer may not have one available. Decisions, decisions...

[Joe S.]

Originally Posted by Rocket XIII

Obviously the latest responses have nothing to do with the OP.

Are you new to the internet so that you don't understand how this stuff goes?

On the bright side, I don't think there have been any ad hominem attacks in this thread yet.

So ... should we stay focused, or is your goal to take us in a third direction?

Actually I was hoping to keep it on track and avoid the ad hominem attacks. Bringing Harleys into it and a comment that an RIIIt has more power than any stock Harley is an invitation to go that direction. I mean duh, most anybody should know that a stockRIIIT has more power than a stock Harley. Why even go there?
The fact that i've done a lot of interneting is why I know it is either a troll comment of just a silly comment.

[Jamo]

My experience is that torque overcomes inertia and horsepower pushes the air out of the way. Unless one is traveling above, say, 115mph, when the air resistance starts to build up, about 85hp is more than enough for spirited, real world, non-race track riding.

So, I would probably answer my own question with the thought that the RIIIT is well set up, and gets better mileage, even though the Roadster has the higher spec engine. But I was really wondering if anyone had actual experience with the two different rides so as to say that one or the other has something you wouldn't want to miss.

[dougl]

Originally Posted by Jamo

My experience is that torque overcomes inertia and horsepower pushes the air out of the way. Unless one is traveling above, say, 115mph, when the air resistance starts to build up, about 85hp is more than enough for spirited, real world, non-race track riding.

So, I would probably answer my own question with the thought that the RIIIT is well set up, and gets better mileage, even though the Roadster has the higher spec engine. But I was really wondering if anyone had actual experience with the two different rides so as to say that one or the other has something you wouldn't want to miss.

As note, the only difference in power comes from how the tunes close the secondaries, assuming they have the same exhaust, cat, intake filters. I had my 2005 R3 up to 130 with corrected speedo with windshield and bags. Once. Not practical for in traffic.

On the other hand, the touring has a 180 rear tire. I've never driven one but I can't see how it doesn't give a better all around ride than the 240 rear.

[Tripps]

I have a 2010 R3T, stock, it goes like a raped ape. Adding Jardines, triple K&N air filters and retune with TuneECU, it goes like a raped ape with it's ass on fire. Picture an 870 lb bagger that will pick up the front tire. Jardines are quite loud, though, fair warning. Can be unstable over 130 mph, I get an odd, slow weave. Thinking of going with the Carpenter package next.

I haven't dynoed it yet, but tune is supposed to be a 150 hp, 150 ft/lb tune.

[georgied]

I too went on the "My Triumph" section of their site and there is an Azure Blue two tone that looks dynamite. Hope I can see it in person soon.

[dougl]

Originally Posted by Tripps

I have a 2010 R3T, stock, it goes like a raped ape. Adding Jardines, triple K&N air filters and retune with TuneECU, it goes like a raped ape with it's ass on fire. Picture an 870 lb bagger that will pick up the front tire. Jardines are quite loud, though, fair warning. Can be unstable over 130 mph, I get an odd, slow weave. Thinking of going with the Carpenter package next.

I haven't dynoed it yet, but tune is supposed to be a 150 hp, 150 ft/lb tune.

So you had it dyno tuned with TuneECU? There's no one in my town who works with this. My Triumph dealer is a Dynojet tuner, mainly for HD's. He dynoed my Rocket at 140/150 with just TOR's/cat bypass. I met a guy at the dealer's with an R3T with Jardines and triple filters at the dealers. He had a PCIII with a custom tune and got 157/150. If I had been interested enough, I would have used Tuneboy to open the secondaries and had it tuned with a PCIII.. But I wasn't. Now I have a T-Bird.

[norton74]

Originally Posted by dougl

Now I have a T-Bird.

Why did you buy the T-Bird instead of replacing your Rocket with another Rocket?

[dougl]

Originally Posted by norton74

Why did you buy the T-Bird instead of replacing your Rocket with another Rocket?

I had the Rocket for 8 years and had gotten everything I was going to get out of it. It was getting a bit heavy for me, lugging it in and out of the garage. I thought (temporary insanity) I was going to retire from motorcycling after 43 years. So I sold it, kind of impetuously. After about a month, I started getting antsy. I test drove a 103 Dyna, a 106 Victory, and a 1600 T-Bird. Aside from the power, the T-Bird is a better bike than the Rocket. It handles better and has much better brakes. Also, I don't like the mid controls on the Roadster. In any case, because of the power, I still think the R3 with ABS is the most amazing bike out there.

PS - I just broke my foot, after putting in big bucks to convert the T-Bird to a 1700, and it's questionable whether I can continue to have such a heavy bike. I may just have to get a lighter bike like a Bonnie. Full circle.

[norton74]

Originally Posted by dougl

I had the Rocket for 8 years and had gotten everything I was going to get out of it. It was getting a bit heavy for me, lugging it in and out of the garage. I thought (temporary insanity) I was going to retire from motorcycling after 43 years. So I sold it, kind of impetuously. After about a month, I started getting antsy. I test drove a 103 Dyna, a 106 Victory, and a 1600 T-Bird. Aside from the power, the T-Bird is a better bike than the Rocket. It handles better and has much better brakes. Also, I don't like the mid controls on the Roadster. In any case, because of the power, I still think the R3 with ABS is the most amazing bike out there.

PS - I just broke my foot, after putting in big bucks to convert the T-Bird to a 1700, and it's questionable whether I can continue to have such a heavy bike. I may just have to get a lighter bike like a Bonnie. Full circle.

Sorry about your foot. Give it time to heal before you decide to give up your TB. But, if you you sell your TB, the Bonnie is a very nice ride. I really enjoy mine.