Power Differences Tourer/Roadster

[Rocket XIII]

Originally Posted by georgied

Hey Rocket. I don't understand the dealer nuances but my local dealer is a large Harley dealer. He is also a large Triumph dealer and he displays his Triumphs in a different room on the main floor of the building. Harley is certainly aware of this because the CEO visited this spring to give him the Silver Shield award. Maybe he carries more weight because of his sales record.

I don't think the plan to put the Triumph in the basement was anything more than a snub. There is a large Triumph dealer, under different ownership and management, next door. The logical thing from my perspective would have been for them to wholesale the Triumph to the Triumph dealer.

FWIW, most of the H-D dealerships we see in my area are exclusive H-D. However, there are exceptions. In Louisville, for example, there is an H-D dealer that also has BMW.

Hey, even Bruce Rossmeyer had his H-D dealership and his Triumph Ducati dealerships in different buildings.

Most of the manufacturers would like you to have a room, or a floor, devoted to their exclusive showcase, but it doesn't always work out. Probably how much product you can move for them is a big factor in what they'll tolerate.

[pjamesb80]

Has Triumph dropped the RIII Touring for 2013? I just got off the U.S. version of the website and there isn't a 2013 RIII Touring shown on the website.

The website still shows the 2012 version though.

[Rocket XIII]

Originally Posted by pjamesb80

Has Triumph dropped the RIII Touring for 2013? I just got off the U.S. version of the website and there isn't a 2013 RIII Touring shown on the website.

The website still shows the 2012 version though.

Triumph has been doing some editing recently. The 2013 was on the US web site last week. Today the 2013 is on the UK web site and the 2012 is gone. The 2012 was there the other day. They were calling them ABS models a week or so ago, but ABS appears to have been dropped from the web sites today.

Meanwhile, dealers have R3Ts that they identify as 2013 models.

I dunno..... I don't think Triumph makes nearly as much money on the R3T compared to what they can make on the simpler Thunderbird.

I don't think you'll get a straight answer. Believe the inventory.

[norton74]

I checked the Triumph web site yesterday and saw that the R3T has a two tone blue color scheme available. That is different from the last time I looked on the web site.

Checked again. The two tone blue combination shows if you start the "Create my Triumph" option. It does not show up when you are looking at Rocket 3 Touring under the cruisers tab.

[Joe S.]

Originally Posted by norton74

Both of them have more power and torque than any stock Harley. Did you see where a very lightly modified Rocket 3 set a record at Bonneville? It was a little over 174 mph.

Does that have anything, ANYTHING whatsoever, to do with the question he actually asked? Or are you just trying to bait a Harley vs Triumph argument and shoot for another 30+ pages of drivel?l

[norton74]

Originally Posted by Joe S.

Does that have anything, ANYTHING whatsoever, to do with the question he actually asked? Or are you just trying to bait a Harley vs Triumph argument and shoot for another 30+ pages of drivel?l

Sorry. Last thing we need is more drivel.

[Rocket XIII]

Originally Posted by Joe S.

Does that have anything, ANYTHING whatsoever, to do with the question he actually asked? Or are you just trying to bait a Harley vs Triumph argument and shoot for another 30+ pages of drivel?l

Obviously the latest responses have nothing to do with the OP.

Are you new to the internet so that you don't understand how this stuff goes?

On the bright side, I don't think there have been any ad hominem attacks in this thread yet.

So ... should we stay focused, or is your goal to take us in a third direction?

[echoraven]

Originally Posted by Rocket XIII

...I dunno..... I don't think Triumph makes nearly as much money on the R3T compared to what they can make on the simpler Thunderbird...

True. I also don't think they sell as well. I was able to get mine for about the price of a tbird with bags and a shield and the Rocket is ALOT more bike.

...though if I had the room (and income) I definitely would not mind a TBird for shorter jaunts.

[norton74]

Can anyone who has a R3T tell us if they think that the stock tune is short of power?

[Rocket XIII]

Originally Posted by norton74

Can anyone who has a R3T tell us if they think that the stock tune is short of power?

The other cruisers I have ridden have all felt short of power, but I do not have this sensation with the R3T.

At lower rpms, no one else has the power of the R3 because no one else has their torque at those low rpms.

(Power in Horsepower) = (Torque in foot pounds)(engine speed in rpm)/5250.

If you've got 150 ft pounds of torque at 2000 rpm and another guy's got 100, guess which one will pull away faster if both are at that speed?

Obviously the key is matching the transmission to the road load and the engine. They've done an exceptional job with this on the R3T.

That 105 hp power spec is meaningless in the engine operating range that the transmission puts you for road situations.