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Old 12-12-2005, 03:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well this weekend I went to the long beach MC show to look for a second and maybe third bike. My wife is in love with the speed master for her and the Yamaha Road liner for us to go together on. IMO it was the best looking cruiser there and its a big bike I am 6'5"& 300 so its important to me, while my rocket is a great bike and would not get rid of it. I think I will by a road liner to cruise with the wife and I. by the way the Suzuki m109 is ugly in person. while the rocket is very cool I think its more of a one man bike :-D
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The Road Liner does seem nicely finished, doesn't it? They paid a lot of attention to the details. I had to wonder how the long the "hide a key" would keep looking nice though. Did the bike seem to fit you OK? I'm 6'7" and it felt awkward to me. I wonder too if the windshield might be too far away to do any good. As a 2 up bagger - are the Road Star hard bags available for it? Those are nice.

I have to agree with you on the M109 - I was not impressed in person. ACRES of plastic, and seems designed by committee. When I first saw just the tank from a distance, I thought it was a Mean Streak. Then I noticed a VTX motor. And a Mean Streak front end. And a Victory Hammer rear end. And a V-Rod radiator. And fat Mean Streak bars. I'm not kidding, I hadn't realized how much it "borrows" from other bikes until I saw it in person. I hung around it for a while at the Seattle IMS to gauge other peoples' reactions and nobody seemed knocked out by it, though some commented on the styling cues from other bikes. Can't wait to see how it performs.
M109. Can't help but wonder if they even thought about how close that sounds to ME-109. Or does anyone still think about that sort of thing?
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Old 12-12-2005, 09:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I test rode and looked over the ROadliner pretty good. In my opinion, while it's clearly a high quality bike, it's over rated with pre-introduction hype.

Other than the three tin stripes down the tank and the headlight, it's very plain looking. THe rear half looks just like a Roadstar. I didn't think it had such great overwhelming power, either, not compared to a ROcket III or a VN2000 or even a Victory anyway. I wouldn't want to tour on one, not unless someone was following with a can of gas.

All in all it's almost the same motorcycle as a Warrior, though it weighs 100 lbs more.

Id take a VIctory or a Rocket or even a VN2000 first.
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Well this weekend I went to the long beach MC show to look for a second and maybe third bike. My wife is in love with the speed master for her and the Yamaha Road liner for us to go together on. IMO it was the best looking cruiser there and its a big bike I am 6'5"& 300 so its important to me, while my rocket is a great bike and would not get rid of it. I think I will by a road liner to cruise with the wife and I. by the way the Suzuki m109 is ugly in person. while the rocket is very cool I think its more of a one man bike :-D
I guess if you've got the cash to splash, you could have a different bike for every day of the week but wouldn't it be cheaper to go out and buy the bits to make the Rocket the best darn two-up mile eater since the invention of the jumbo jet.

Go buy a set of Russel Day-Long seats, fit a backrest, Rivco pass boards, Triumph driver boards, Beetle bags, special screen with extra height and suspend it all with a set of Progressive 440's and you'll have a dam good set up and save a bundle of cash to boot.

Doesn't matter what you buy these days, you always wind up spending some extra good hard earned mullah to make it just how you want it to be... so why not just do it to the Rocket and be done with it! On the other hand, if you must have another bike in the shed just do it. What the heck, every little purchase helps with the national economy! Just my two bobs worth!

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Old 12-13-2005, 01:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Go buy a set of Russel Day-Long seats, fit a backrest, Rivco pass boards, Triumph driver boards, Beetle bags, special screen with extra height and suspend it all with a set of Progressive 440's and you'll have a dam good set up and save a bundle of cash to boot.
Sounds very much like the Rocket I saw at Hyder Seek (an annual gathering of Iron Butt riders in Hyder, Alaska). One more thing he'd done to make it the ultimate 2-up Rocket for the pillion partner who refuses to travel light, he'd even added a Uni-go. Had to custom-build the hitch for it. Trailering is something I'm not into myself but if I did have a need for one, it would have to be a Uni-go.

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Old 12-13-2005, 02:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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"Roadliner" ? With "Yamaha" or (BTW ) "made by Yamaha" in increasingly small print in US motorcycle mags? As if Japan Inc. were ashamed of its brand ancestry. Same with Toyota re-badged as Lexus. Honda as Acura, etc. Why would anyone want to buy a product whose identity is so blatantly americanized, i.e. disguised or denied and ...whose price is jacked up as if the disguise or the denial commanded a premium?

Anyone lured? Anyone fooled? Yes, I know, them Roadliar pinstripes look cool...

I'd rather buy another Harley :???:

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Old 12-13-2005, 09:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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"Roadliner" ? With "Yamaha" or (BTW ) "made by Yamaha" in increasingly small print in US motorcycle mags? As if Japan Inc. were ashamed of its brand ancestry.
Ya lost me. My Warrior has "Yamaha" on quite a few parts. All over the bike. ( BTW, I think they are tastefully done and I have no intention of removing any of the markings). The magazines that I read over here seem to make "Japan, Inc" the benchmark. I haven't noticed any "SHAME" of the heritage. Every other company, Triumph included; is always measured against that mark.

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Same with Toyota re-badged as Lexus. Honda as Acura, etc. Why would anyone want to buy a product whose identity is so blatantly americanized, i.e. disguised or denied and ...whose price is jacked up as if the disguise or the denial commanded a premium?

Anyone lured? Anyone fooled? Yes, I know, them Roadliar pinstripes look cool...
The models offered by Lexus (or Acura) are more luxurious than the "lesser" Toyota and Honda. Compare the workmanship and material of a Corolla to that of a LS Sedan and the price tag is not to "fool" anyone. It is a better, more refined product. It (Lexus) is also ranked number one in quality. BTW, Toyota was ranked equal to Hyundai in initial quality a year or two back ( IF you took out the Lexus sub-brand).

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The Roadliner doesn't really push any buttons for me. With a Cruiser, that's really what's it's all about. Absolute performance, when talking about machines that push 1/2 a ton w/ the rider on board, is secondary... If you prefer the HD? Cool!

Teal, if the Roadliner is what you want? Get one and enjoy the ride. Especially if that's what the SU likes and will be most comfy on.



ME? My current plan is to save my pennies for the new version of the V-Max which was shown in concept form at the Japan motorcycle show. If all the 180 crank horsies show up after the EPA gets done with'm? That along with the 6 piston brakes, upside down forks, etc.... It'll be the new king. Well, unless the B-King is actually "boosted" afterall :razz: . Oh well, I'll save my pennies for something anyway. Maybe a turbo kit for a Rocket3?

It's ALL good.

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Old 12-13-2005, 10:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think that maybe I was trying to bad mouth the R3 but that is not the case. we are simply looking for a more comfortable cruiser to buy for 2 up riding. While I am very comfortable on the R3 the wife thinks its lacking plus it allows me to have 2 bikes it was even her idea. When looking at all the bikes at the show that one was the most appealing to us. I don't really have any brand loyalty because manufacturers are not loyal to us. Harley simply isn't a good value plus I would feel like a real yuppie scum poser on a Harley. So within the next few months the R3 will have a stable mate
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Old 12-13-2005, 10:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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teal, if you want the roadliner, just go for it man. you only live once. like their autos, one thing about japanese bikes is they are bullet proof in reliability department and that includes bikes introduced in the u.s.a. since the 60's. get a stable mate for your rocket.
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The models offered by Lexus (or Acura) are more luxurious than the "lesser" Toyota and Honda. Compare the workmanship and material of a Corolla to that of a LS Sedan and the price tag is not to "fool" anyone. It is a better, more refined product. It (Lexus) is also ranked number one in quality. BTW, Toyota was ranked equal to Hyundai in initial quality a year or two back ( IF you took out the Lexus sub-brand).
That's all in American consumers' imaginations. A Lexus IS a rebadged, gussied-up Toyota that is NOT built any better (in Japan some of the same cars are sold under the Toyota badge). The entire Lexus brand was concocted just to milk brand-conscious Americans. IF there is anything real you get for all that extra money (besides maybe a few luxo-options that aren't available on a similarly platformed Toyota) it's a more attentive *dealership* which makes the "initial ownership experience" SEEM like having a better quality car.

Toyota holds Lexus dealerships to a higher standard, and they do a much better job of brown-nosing their snootier customers who want all the good things perceived about the Toyota brand without the stygma of having to drive one. If that red carpet is worth it to you, get a Lexus. If you want the best Toyota "for the buck" get one that says Toyota on it. It'll last just as long.
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